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Old 10-17-2014, 10:53 AM   #21
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Nice recovery. Availability expectations for 10's?
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These look awesome, remind me of Ford GT wheels
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MT has gone down hill, y'all disappoint me.

Keith is an innocent bystander. But Ed? Vlad? You should know better.
No comprendo. ???

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I really admire how you handled everything with the Jongbloeds.
+1. Keith and FM have done a great job of managing this.
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We have been told to expect the remainder of the wheels in November. Based on past performance, I will believe that when I see the truck pull up. We were never given any tracking info for the first shipment, they just appeared. But I've been told the shipment is on the water.

15x10s are only coming in black and silver, no bronze. We ordered a smaller number of those, and it didn't make sense to split them up further.

There are no VIA markings on the wheels.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:53 PM   #25
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No comprendo. ???
I truly feel bad for Keith and FM, sounds like a lot of work went in to making this happen, with disappointments along the way in shipping times, and now final product weights.

I don't think FM will have any issue off loading the wheels, and call me psychic, but I don't think they'll carry the wheel in their inventory for long. However I'm still surprised with the number of MT members (form<function) jumping on board with those weights.
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:01 PM   #26
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Not exactly. I'm rocking my 12lb konigs and loving it.

I just love the way these look, and that they're good quality, and good sizes, and if I was in the market for TR wheels (I'm not, but if i was), I'd get these over those in an instant.
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However I'm still surprised with the number of MT members (form<function) jumping on board with those weights.
That's because you left cost out of your equation. You can get lighter, but you'll pay for it. So it's a valid option in the market.

Plus, the offset on these is better than most of the 15x8s on the market so they'll fit better than a set of Advantis.
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These make perfect sense for a second set of wheels or for something like Chump.
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Curly at this price I can buy 2 sets of these for what my spinwerks cost for only 3 more pounds per wheel. They'd be fine for local wheels. But with everyone now going to 15x11 I think the biggest things these wheels are going to do for me is drive down the used price of 15x10s.
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I guess my comment was more sarcastic than anything, they are a decent wheel, with their only fall back being their weight.

But I will say that 2 lbs per corner is a LOT.

Konig wideopens and flat outs are $1 more per wheel, and 1.3-1.8 lighter per wheel. Dial-in is $11 more per wheel, 2.8 lbs lighter per corner. FFD can be had around $100/wheel, and they're 1.5lbs lighter.

Just stirring the pot.
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I guess my comment was more sarcastic than anything, they are a decent wheel, with their only fall back being their weight.

But I will say that 2 lbs per corner is a LOT.

Konig wideopens and flat outs are $1 more per wheel, and 1.3-1.8 lighter per wheel. Dial-in is $11 more per wheel, 2.8 lbs lighter per corner. FFD can be had around $100/wheel, and they're 1.5lbs lighter.

Just stirring the pot.
What sizes are the Konigs and Dial-in? Do they come in 15x9 in an offset that works on a miata? I honestly don't know, as I don't follow rims at all. Even if they are a bit heavier then we would have liked, at that price and being AVAILABLE to me makes them a bit of an easier purchase.
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I guess my comment was more sarcastic than anything, they are a decent wheel, with their only fall back being their weight.

But I will say that 2 lbs per corner is a LOT.

Konig wideopens and flat outs are $1 more per wheel, and 1.3-1.8 lighter per wheel. Dial-in is $11 more per wheel, 2.8 lbs lighter per corner. FFD can be had around $100/wheel, and they're 1.5lbs lighter.

Just stirring the pot.
Let me be clear: I am in NO WAY interested in the 15X8 Jongbloed. There are too many other good 15X8 options on the market, IMO FFD is chief among them right now.

This is a FANTASTIC 15X9 setup for the money and can't be beat. It's just a matter of this price at this weight for these, or $250 more for 6ULs or Advantis and nearly 3 lbs less.

If I wasn't so damned obsessed with 6ULs (and if the Jongbloeds were offered in a gunmetal or nickel or tungsten color) I'd have ordered them by now. Great looking wheel, and I'm sure it'll be strong and high quality.
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Those were all 15x8 comparisons, varying offsets, from 36 to 20. Lots of 25 I think. Found most of the prices and weights on Goodwin's site, FFD off facebook, TR off...TR.
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Those were all 15x8 comparisons, varying offsets, from 36 to 20. Lots of 25 I think. Found most of the prices and weights on Goodwin's site, FFD off facebook, TR off...TR.
Ahh, I only really care about the 15x9 wheels. I will gladly give up a few pounds for cheaper and available.
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Those were all 15x8 comparisons, varying offsets, from 36 to 20. Lots of 25 I think. Found most of the prices and weights on Goodwin's site, FFD off facebook, TR off...TR.
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Ahh, I only really care about the 15x9 wheels.
Yup.

For 15X8's, unless you just love the styling, these aren't near the top of the heap IMO. X9's and X10's... awesomesauce.
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Heads up: we have one set each of the silver and black 15x10s left in the next shipment. All the others are spoken for, and that includes webstore orders as of right now. We didn't order that many of them, and I can't guarantee we'll get any more at this price.

We do still have a good number of the 8 and 9" ones available in the shipment, no worries there.
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Going by weight can be misleading. A heavier wheel can actually spin faster than a light wheel, depending on whether the weight is carried at the hub or at the rim.

We've seen some interesting numbers with wheels that are wildly heavier than what you're talking about now, but go around the track faster. I think this is mainly because they are larger diameter and offer a stiffer sidewall and less slip angle.
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I hope the vendors properly compensated you guys for the missed delivery times and missed spec!
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Going by weight can be misleading. A heavier wheel can actually spin faster than a light wheel, depending on whether the weight is carried at the hub or at the rim.
That's a good point. Would be cool if manufacturers published their rotational moments of inertia.

On these, I would expect the flow-formed rim to be light and the weight to be in the hub/spokes. Looks like they use the same hub/spoke design as their Spec Miata wheel (which has to meet a minimum weight of ~13.5#s for a 15x7 IIRC). So, the rotational moment should be better than the raw weight indicates + it should be massively strong.
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That's a good point. Would be cool if manufacturers published their rotational moments of inertia.

On these, I would expect the flow-formed rim to be light and the weight to be in the hub/spokes. Looks like they use the same hub/spoke design as their Spec Miata wheel (which has to meet a minimum weight of ~13.5#s for a 15x7 IIRC). So, the rotational moment should be better than the raw weight indicates + it should be massively strong.
The weight is in the mounting pad.
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