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Old 10-26-2015, 07:05 PM
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Available in a 205/50/15. Not sure what all other sizes.

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The only other 15inch size is a 225/50r15.

Is there really a market for a 60tw tire in this size?
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I read that the tire was designed originally for the Camaro SS, obviously not in a 205 50 15 size.
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P1, audi RS, Camaro SS are the 3 cars for the reviews. Yup these tires are slow, probably not worth the time to even look at em.
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An earlier version of the tire was sized for Porsche and Ferrari and got excellent reviews, other than wear.
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This is from Rennlist...based on a 2 minute lap (added for clarification)

1) - Hoosier A6 - Fastest
2) - Hoosier R6 +1 seconds
3) - Trofeo +2 seconds
4) - MPSC race spec +2.5 seconds
5) - Shaved RA-1s +2.5 seconds
6) - R888 +3
7) - MPSC N spec +4 seconds
8) - MPSS + 4.5 seconds
8) - MPS2 + 5 seconds

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That list seems funny. Assuming its over a 1 minute lap, taking the hoosier and MPSS are book ends, basically any modern 200tw street tire falls somewhere between position 6 and 2.
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Well, that quote was originally posted in 2013. There was an original Trofeo and the newer R version.

Here's from another review. This one is for the original Trofeo. The newer R has the same or slightly more grip but lasts longer.

"The Trofeo is a street legal R-compound track tire. You can drive to and from your track event quite comfortably. It has a great ride (for an R-compound), it is relatively quiet (the quietest R compound I have tried) and it is not darty on pavement ruts.
On the track, instrumented numbers, on a RaceLogic Data box don’t lie. Lateral cornering grip on a Porsche 911 Turbo in the dry was 1.54 G. That is a stunning number. "

"Did a 3 day weekend at Thunderhill (Willows, CA). First day was on Trofeos (not the R, however). My lap timer wasn't in the car, but I found my times via a "creative" manner and recorded a best of 2:02. Didn't run on Saturday due to a mechanical. Ran Sunday on the new OZ wheels shod with new Hoosier R6s. With a passenger in the car I ran a best of 2:01. It was substantially hotter on Sunday than it was on Friday. "

Someone on Rennlist stated that they got about 35 heat cycles out of a set.

Compared to Michelins...

"Ran Trofeo R's at VIR last week. Sunny day, 60 degrees max. Perfect weather. Have run at VIR many times on MPSC - personal best time of 2:08. Second session on the R's - 2:05. Not just once either, consistently lapping at 2:05 and 2:06. Ran another session in the afternoon, this time with a passenger in the car - consistent 2:05's again. Stunned...(all timing via my racekeeper system). Know I have more time to make up, looking at the data and video."


I'm not real familiar with the Michelin Pilot series. Most I looked up had a tread rating from 200-300, so they are basically a street tire.

Some compared the Trofeo R as in between a NT01 and R6...BUT...it's probably hard to deduct any concrete numbers based on the fact that Porsches are running monster wide 19 inch wheels while NA/NB Miatas are running moderate to monster 15 inch wheels.

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That's funny. At the Porsche trackday I attended, they gave out 6 packs of beer as prizes, I was kinda shocked, I expected wine and cheese prizes.

Also, in stock 19 inch sizing the Porsche guys have little selection, a couple Michelins, a couple Pirellis, R888 and R6. So for them, it's an upgrade from the R888, although quite a bit more pricey. To get a NT01 they need to buy 18 inch wheels.

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Here's a comment from the Corvette forum

"To equate them to a well-known tire, I'd say new R888's have about 75% of the grip as Hoosier R6's. The Trofeo R's are about 85-90% the grip of Hoosier R6's. They are that much better than the R888's."

Read more: Pirelli Trofeo R's vs R888's - Corvette Forum
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If it's the same tire as what was on the McLaren P1 in Chris Harris' recent video then I'd say it appears to be a pretty good tire... but then again completely different car.

Plus would the 205/15x8 Trofeo R really be that much better than a 225/15x9 NT-01, R888 (or even RS-3) on the track? Seems like it may handle street/highway driving to events better than a NT-01/R888 though?

All assumptions in my post though so maybe someone can confirm.
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Tread depth is 5mm so it's similar to the NT01 in that respect. In the same size the Tropheo R should be faster. I'd think the wider tire would have the advantage. For those wanting to reduce gearing the Tropheo R is available in a 225/50/15.
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