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Old 12-08-2012, 12:23 PM   #1
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Default WTB: CARB (California Emissions) legal turbo or turbo set up

I've been itching to turbo my Miata..but due to smog laws here in California am limited to a few selection of turbos (Greddy, Begi-S, S1, S2, and S3) set ups.

I'm wanting to get a legit turbo with all the CARB stickers and what not because I don't want to have to take the turbo set up out just to smog my car every time.

There's someone local selling a Greddy turbo but is asking a little too much at least for me.

Interested in the turbo alone (assuming includes CARB sticker) or a set-up if price is right.

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Old 12-08-2012, 02:41 PM   #2
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Serious question: a Greddy system is more than you want to pay for, and you're hoping someone will sell you a Bell kit for less?
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either just suck it up and buy the greddy or save up for the bell, because your state sucks.

From what I understand, the MSD Sebring boost/timing controller comes with a CARB sticker.
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Do you CA guys need CARB cert'd parts for pre-OBDII cars?
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yes.

also OP - turbo's don't come with carb stickers.
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suckville
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Do you CA guys need CARB cert'd parts for pre-OBDII cars?
Everything after 1975.

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also OP - turbo's don't come with carb stickers.
This is correct.

You need a complete turbo system that comes with a CARB sticker. I suppose you could attempt to buy just a used turbo and the sticker from someone who bought a complete kit, but then you'd have to piece together all the rest of the parts of the kit (or reasonable facsimilies) because the EO applies to the system as a whole, not just to the turbo itself. "The system" includes things like the fuel and ignition management, the manifold and downpipe, the air filter, the intercooler, etc.
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So you end up having to convert everything to stock each year for testing? God that sucks.
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Every other year.

It's not that bad, honestly. In exchange, we get to live in a place with awesome roads, awesome weather, no humidity, no flying insects large enough to carry away a dog, etc.
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Yup.

Plus we get to "re-evaluate" our setup every 2 years (like I've done) improve what we see fit.
I mean it doesn't take more than a day or two to remove/reinstall everything assuming you didn't hack up your car to kingdom come not considering anything.
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TX does it's testing annually. Fortunately they don't care what's under the hood, just that it returns OBDII/emissions codes and passes the sniffer.

I'm still building the car (trying to) into something decent, with the focus on ease of returning the car to compliant status. With my current plan, I just have to swap the ecu's, reconnect the right sensors, put the stock injectors back in, and hold the wastegate open. Once I get it back together, I'll actually figure out if the boost will keep from creeping so I don't have to remove the turbo. I hate trying to pull that BEGi manifold off.

This also highlights another reason I'm going MS2 vs EMS4: the trigger wheel. Once I put the supermiata damper on there, I don't want to remove it annually.
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vlad, that sounds like an excuse to a horrible CA car regulation.

I got pulled over by CHP once, the guy was new, and a total idiot.

Tried writing me a ticket for "illegal performance modifications" or some crap like that, with NEVADA plates.

I had to sit there waiting for a higher up officer to show up before they can let me go. Because I wasnt going to leave with this retarded ticket and have to show back up in court for some BS.

Here in Nevada, we have a catalytic visual and "EGR" visual (of which can be removed as long as it doesnt trip the check engine light, or fail OBD III computer read-out) and a standard ECU/ tailpipe probe test.

My supra was super cheap to buy because the guy couldnt pass CA smog with it.
I added a free flow cat, and passed just fine in NV.
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TX does it's testing annually. Fortunately they don't care what's under the hood, just that it returns OBDII/emissions codes and passes the sniffer.
this is HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE EVERYWHERE. unfortunately stupid CA refuses to accept logic
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your state sucks, brosky.
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we still have a few counties that only do the sniffer.

unfortunately said counties are all in the middle of nowhere.
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I'm dreaming of the day standalones return OBDII codes...or someone shares the secret of obd simulators.
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Actually, AB2289 passed. So starting Jan 1, vehicles 2000 and newer will no longer run the rollers, and will be tested OBD-II only. (The visual inspection remains in place.)
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I dont keep up on that ****, so bear with me here: they will do visual, then plug in the scanner, but no sniffer? Or sniffer too just at idle?
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Visual and OBD-II only. No sniffer.

Which is annoying, as the sniffer is the easiest thing to pass, but it's progress.
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This is spreading, "as of Jan 1 2013 the province of Ontario requires a tail pipe emissions check and an OBD-II code scan for 98+ vehicles". The nice part is they stop looking for NOx emissions on the sniffer (just the easy stuff; HC & CO at idle) and no OBD-II scan for 97 and older vehicles.

I'm not sure on the legality of this (in Ontario) but I was told I can be failed if the car looks substantially modified though I never have been and they always pop the hood when testing.

Isn't the sniffer test the only thing that really matters, if the concern is environmental protection? I mean if your exhaust is clean who cares what you've done. My last test the tester commented that my car (~110k mi) was as clean as some 3-6 month old cars he's tested.
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