"After failed abortion, deezums sees the 1.8 light" Build - Page 17 - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Build Threads Building a motor? Post the progress here.

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-31-2015, 11:48 AM   #321
Boost Czar

iTrader: (60)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 70,456
Total Cats: 1,426
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
Really? I thought I were doing 1-1.5K better than Brian or Tom down low, with less boost. I thought ~220 were the max he ever saw on the 1.6,



wrong turbo.







the dyno plot you you looking at was with an IM too, and my transmission and rear diff were toast and eating TONs of power. I replaced both soon after that dyno.


looks pretty similar at 10psi.
Attached Thumbnails
"After failed abortion, deezums sees the 1.8 light" Build-46744d1340028058-t3-60-trim-dyno-2-22-psi-nov_13_2010_china_vs_nov_10_2008_garrett.jpg  
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2015, 01:25 PM   #322
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

Those do look a bit closer to what I've got. I don't have any desire to go for high rpm stuff, can see why you'd change back for sure.

Can't wait till spring, I should be able to make and hold 200ft/lbs from 3/3500 to redline if I taper out to 14 pounds...
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2015, 01:33 PM   #323
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: SF Bay Area, CA
Posts: 743
Total Cats: 91
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post

Why are thermostats such inconsistent little pieces of horseshit?



They truly are. No one knows why, I need to change mine too.
sonofthehill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2015, 02:48 PM   #324
Boost Czar

iTrader: (60)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 70,456
Total Cats: 1,426
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
Those do look a bit closer to what I've got. I don't have any desire to go for high rpm stuff, can see why you'd change back for sure.

Can't wait till spring, I should be able to make and hold 200ft/lbs from 3/3500 to redline if I taper out to 14 pounds...
I stuck with the chinachager. it was much better than the super 60 trim t3. 1.6LS suck at high end anyway, it takes a lot to keep the torque up after a certain level of boost/power.

The china spooled so much better/harder with the 50 trim wheel compare to the 60. car felt so much more lively with it.
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 03:36 PM   #325
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

So, just driving around loving the boost lately. Turned on eae and turned off AE, I like so far, just copied some old stuff I found from y8s.


My rear brakes are sticking occasionally, a bleeder is frozen, and they're nasty dirty so I bought a set of brakes off a 2000 to rebuild the rear calipers. So, I have full set of everything else if anyone needs cheap spares.



I also bought turbofan's old billies, they're broken but I plan on sending them out for a refresh. I've been reading sporadically on the best places to send them, still don't know the best option yet. Needs more reading. I have 550, 650, 350 and 300's to play with to start, think I might try and take the helper springs and collars off my ricelands, maybe.



Anyone have any tips on where to send these guys for revalve?
Attached Thumbnails
"After failed abortion, deezums sees the 1.8 light" Build-qdzhnud.jpg   "After failed abortion, deezums sees the 1.8 light" Build-kvfuvj8.jpg  
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 03:49 PM   #326
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 86
Total Cats: 6
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
Anyone have any tips on where to send these guys for revalve?
Automotive Suspension Experts | Fat Cat Motorsports
I've heard good things about this guy. He has a shock dyno, makes great bumpstops, built a great springrate spreadsheet, and has a track/autoX miata.

He does billy revalving for spec miata (for $200), but if you shoot him an email, I'm sure he could revalve it to whatever you'd like
squeegee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 04:12 PM   #327
SadFab Sales Lady
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 15,253
Total Cats: 985
Default

Find a cheap local shop and get it done. Don't drop a ton of money on revalved billies. Maybe a circle track place.
aidandj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 04:23 PM   #328
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Mountain View, CA
Posts: 333
Total Cats: 19
Default

I just sent a set of blown fat cats that I picked up cheap down to Bilstien in Poway. Ran me $390 to rebuild all them with fresh errythang.
OneTwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 07:17 PM   #329
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OneTwo View Post
I just sent a set of blown fat cats that I picked up cheap down to Bilstien in Poway. Ran me $390 to rebuild all them with fresh errythang.
The bilstien website says they only rebuild aftermarket dampers now, were yours OEM or the aftermarket stuff? I plan on calling them at some point just to make sure.

Service

$200 per shock at FCM is bonkers, and if I'm not mistaken that's the guy who doesn't revalve anything but brand new HD billies anymore. I'd rather just buy better **** at that price point, I don't care about fitting under spec net, so I'm not paying for it.

There's jack **** around here for custom shops other than tractors. I need to drive to Tennessee or something for a local circle track shop.

I'll probably just send them to bilstien and buy softer springs if I need to.
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 07:29 PM   #330
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Mountain View, CA
Posts: 333
Total Cats: 19
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
The bilstien website says they only rebuild aftermarket dampers now, were yours OEM or the aftermarket stuff? I plan on calling them at some point just to make sure.

Service

$200 per shock at FCM is bonkers, and if I'm not mistaken that's the guy who doesn't revalve anything but brand new HD billies anymore. I'd rather just buy better **** at that price point, I don't care about fitting under spec net, so I'm not paying for it.

There's jack **** around here for custom shops other than tractors. I need to drive to Tennessee or something for a local circle track shop.

I'll probably just send them to bilstien and buy softer springs if I need to.
I agree with you, I emailed Shaikh to see what he would charge to rebuild what I had and it was $200 per shock. No thanks. He did give me shock dynos of the valving I had and explained what kind of spring rates would work with the valving, which he didn't have to do. So that was pretty cool of him.

When I called Bilstein we went round and round about aftermarket vs. factory. I ended up reading them the part numbers and they Ok'd me sending them in. Mine were originally built by FCM so they are the NA HDs. If that's what you have they will service them for sure. A re-valve would only be another $30 bucks a shock extra.

FYI the $390 also included return shipping.
OneTwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 08:19 PM   #331
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

I still have no idea what I want for valving, I know I punched regular NA HDs data into the racing sim game I've been messing with and I felt it was a bit darty and floaty with something like 550/300 rates. Trying stiffer springs on xida or feal plots feels better, but they'll still pogo the rear if you get it going too crazy...

Super scientific data here

I'll probably just convince bilstien to redo them to stock if I can.
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2016, 09:12 PM   #332
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Mountain View, CA
Posts: 333
Total Cats: 19
Default

Bilstein will do the Fast Mike valving, which is pretty good. I rode in a car at MRLS with the Fast Mike valving with 600/350 and with 700/450 on Hoosiers. Not bad at all, especially for the budget. I drove it on the street and 600/350 was totally DD able. I would go that route.

Not gonna lie I totally punched Xida spring rates into GT6. Way better in real life!
OneTwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2016, 06:05 PM   #333
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

I need to call Bilstein, been reading more and I'm pretty sure they rebuild damn near anything still, it just seems there's a very ignorant person that answers the phone according to recent forum posts. Plan is to ask for someone else, or keep calling till I get someone who tells me what I want to hear.

I also found a local miata performance shop, Jesse Prather motorsports, going to take the miata up there in the spring for dyno time, corner weighting, alignment and a bunch of other stuff. Woot!
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2016, 06:19 PM   #334
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,400
Total Cats: 56
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
I need to call Bilstein, been reading more and I'm pretty sure they rebuild damn near anything still, it just seems there's a very ignorant person that answers the phone according to recent forum posts. Plan is to ask for someone else, or keep calling till I get someone who tells me what I want to hear.

I also found a local miata performance shop, Jesse Prather motorsports, going to take the miata up there in the spring for dyno time, corner weighting, alignment and a bunch of other stuff. Woot!
These guys did a good job. 2 yr ago was $65 rebuild + $25 revalve. Kenny is pretty responsive but haven't talked to him in a long time.

Shock Repair, Rebuilt Shock Absorbers and Managed Racing Shocks for NASCAR Racing, Automotive, ATV and Motocross provided by Shock Specialist, Suspension Systems LLC, Huntersville, NC
bahurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2016, 06:39 PM   #335
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

Oh neat, thanks for the reference. I'll give him a call and see...

Well, Kenny closed shop 6 months ago. He told me to look for Rodger in Moresville. Somehow I get transferred to poway, and those guys are all useless.

Great fun!
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2016, 07:16 PM   #336
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,400
Total Cats: 56
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
Oh neat, thanks for the reference. I'll give him a call and see...

Well, Kenny closed shop 6 months ago. He told me to look for Rodger in Moresville. Somehow I get transferred to poway, and those guys are all useless.

Great fun!
Sorry.

Guess I take him off my list.
bahurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2016, 07:31 PM   #337
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

Ah, didn't mean to come off that way. As of right now I know Rodger worked for Kenny and apparently has all the good deets and knowhow. I know he's in Mooresville because poway told me so, but they gave me the wrong phone number. Called some poor guy who has no idea what a bilstein is... If I call mooresville directly, the secretary tells me there is no Rodger?

I hate using phones.

Also, Bilestein in poway most certainly does not rebuild OEM dampers anymore. Either that or at least three different people there just hate money. They know who OneTwo is, only reason you were able to get those done was shrader valves or something. Why's it matter, those were oem NA HD's at one point? I thought I was paying them to put shraders in, or am I just bonkers?

So confused. Will continue Monday. I have unlimited miniutes and I can call all day long. Bringit Bilestien!
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2016, 11:46 AM   #338
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Mountain View, CA
Posts: 333
Total Cats: 19
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
Also, Bilestein in poway most certainly does not rebuild OEM dampers anymore. Either that or at least three different people there just hate money. They know who OneTwo is, only reason you were able to get those done was shrader valves or something. Why's it matter, those were oem NA HD's at one point? I thought I was paying them to put shraders in, or am I just bonkers?

So confused. Will continue Monday. I have unlimited miniutes and I can call all day long. Bringit Bilestien!
I can confirm, I went through the exact same hassle with Bilstein Poway. I probably spent 45 minutes on the phone with Sheree (best guess at her name) where she continually asked me if they were aftermarket or factory. I told her they were were NA HDs and you can buy them aftermarket. We eventually got it resolved when I read her the part numbers listed on the shocks.

Fronts - F4-B46-1488-H1
Rears - F4-B46-1489-H2

Then I explained that they had already been revalved by FCM and she agreed to work on them anyways.

I had them replace one schrader that got crushed by the POs shitty install, but I was under the impression the schrader valves aren't even used on revalves anymore? FCM hasn't used schraders since late 2011...
OneTwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2016, 11:58 AM   #339
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,400
Total Cats: 56
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deezums View Post
Ah, didn't mean to come off that way.
You didn't... It's all good.

Maybe RE Suspension knows who he is (and they also do Bilstein stuff from the web site); RE Suspension

Did Kenney say why he closed? That area used to be full of small shops catering to circle track but now has become big buck full on shops with high dollar budgets.
bahurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2016, 02:57 PM   #340
Sadfab Union President
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,690
Total Cats: 114
Default

The shocks I have aren't NA HD's though, they're off Turbofan's old 10ae. I didn't have part numbers to give them, didn't see them because they were under the sleeves. That's about when I gave up on Poway for the day, with no part number I figured there's no way I'd talk them into anything.

These are NC12-28-700C and NC12-34-700C.

I want to say Kenny just retired, but I can't remember if that was actually said for sure or not. I'll have to call RE suspension and see what they say. At this point I'd rather send my money and shocks to someone other than bilestien anyway!
deezums is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Greetings from space Space Ghost Meet and Greet 12 11-09-2016 01:42 PM
Please double check my work: MazdaSpeed Miata DIYPNP ElyasWolff MEGAsquirt 2 11-07-2016 04:29 PM
Re-Using a crank during a rebuild astral Engine Performance 5 11-04-2016 03:22 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:23 PM.