Build Threads Building a motor? Post the progress here.

My awesome daily project 35mpg/150whp highway donut

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-10-2012, 03:11 PM
  #321  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

The ******* slave is dead!!!
hustler is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 03:28 PM
  #322  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

When I plug in VVTuner RPM in TS shows 0. Looks like I'm fucked. :(

So, What's the fix?
hustler is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 03:30 PM
  #323  
Ben
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (33)
 
Ben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: atlanta-ish
Posts: 12,659
Total Cats: 134
Default

How exactly are CKP and CMP wired to VVTuner?
Do you see RPM in MyVVT?
How exactly are CKP and CMP wired to MegaSquirt?
What model MegaSquirt hardware are you running?
__________________
Chief of Floor Sweeping, DIYAutoTune.com & AMP EFI
Crew Chief, Car Owner & Least Valuable Driver, HongNorrthRacing

91 Turbo | 10AE Turbo | 01 Track Rat | #323 Mazda Champcar

Originally Posted by concealer404
Buy an MSPNP Pro, you'll feel better.
Ben is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 03:35 PM
  #324  
Elite Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,979
Total Cats: 356
Default

He is running the Enhanced MS2.

His adapter harness looks like this:



I included a dummy "loopback" DB-15 connector that connects pin 1 with 3, and 2 to 4. My understanding is that the engine runs when he has the dummy installed on the harness instead of the VVTuner, and no RPM when he installs the VVTuner.

Trey, you need to use the VVTuner software to set the trigger output on the VVTuner to NB2 inverted.
Attached Thumbnails My awesome daily project 35mpg/150whp highway donut-dsc_4977_1.jpg  
Reverant is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 03:53 PM
  #325  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

I never switched it, thanks. NOw it appears to be working. I'll address the slave cylinder then go for a drive. I'm very excited.
hustler is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 04:10 PM
  #326  
Elite Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,979
Total Cats: 356
Default

Yay yet again!
Reverant is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 07:00 PM
  #327  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

The car drives good. How can I check to be sure the VVT is actually working and adjusted correctly?

Man this is great, 80mph at 3600rpm is nice to have again, this will be a great road trip car. I got it road tuned and PW is signifcanly lower in cruise at 80mph, over one point and 500rpm lower. I expect a significant increase in fuel economy. I will put more spark in it later because right now it's very slow, lol. Although slow, it drives better and there's no more smoke.
hustler is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 07:22 PM
  #328  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

So here is some weird ****. The engine was puking oil out the oil-pressure sender port. When I tightened that up, I broke-off the connector. So, it's not connected but my oil pressure gauge still works. Um...what?
hustler is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 07:25 PM
  #329  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

How do you guys recommend I check-up on the VVTuner to make sure there are no sync problems? The loss-sync counter in MLV shows nothing so hopefully I'm home free.

Is the out of the box table for the VVtuner optimized for the cam, or should I look for more power on the dyno/higher AFR (more air = more power)
hustler is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 10:07 PM
  #330  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

Okay, green car is totally getting dat vvteez and a fancy cam.
hustler is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 10:15 PM
  #331  
Junior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
redrider706's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Athens GA
Posts: 440
Total Cats: 6
Default

Trey, please post you AFR, Spark and VVT tables after you get it tuned and sorted out.

Thanks,
-Raj
redrider706 is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 01:10 AM
  #332  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

Originally Posted by redrider706
Trey, please post you AFR, Spark and VVT tables after you get it tuned and sorted out.

Thanks,
-Raj
I believe the VVT table is "optimized" by DIY meaning the tuned the cam in house, on their dyno, with all the time in the world to make it perfect.

I don't like this 3000rpm dip in VE:
Name:  bYPSd.png
Views: 17
Size:  108.2 KB
I don't have endless time on the dyno to play with it and since I can't do it all from one computer, simutaneously, I'm hesitant to jack with it. However, I wonder if I can get rid of that dip in efficiency by adding some cam angle at 3k?
hustler is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 01:24 AM
  #333  
Elite Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Bryce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cypress, TX
Posts: 3,759
Total Cats: 35
Default

Look here: https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquir...-tuning-64590/

I'm currently running something like Y8s' table. I don't have that drastic drop in VE at 3400.
Bryce is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 01:47 AM
  #334  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

What is max retard?

Also, VVTuner's interface kind of drains my will to live.
hustler is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 01:49 AM
  #335  
Elite Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Bryce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cypress, TX
Posts: 3,759
Total Cats: 35
Default

According to my current min and max absolute cam angle settings (319-275), 44 degrees.
Bryce is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 01:51 AM
  #336  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

Originally Posted by Bryce
According to my current min and max absolute cam angle settings (319-275), 44 degrees.
That's 44* retard right, max advance is 0?

I was under the impression that once someone figured-out the best table, that was the only table to use considering all stock VVT cams are the same. Is this wrong?
hustler is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 01:57 AM
  #337  
Elite Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Bryce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cypress, TX
Posts: 3,759
Total Cats: 35
Default

Originally Posted by hustler
That's 44* retard right, max advance is 0?

I was under the impression that once someone figured-out the best table, that was the only table to use considering all stock VVT cams are the same. Is this wrong?
44* Advance. Advancing yields more low-end power, retarding yields more top-end power, generally.

I get the feeling that there is an ideal table that everybody should use.
Bryce is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 02:04 AM
  #338  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

Originally Posted by Bryce
44* Advance. Advancing yields more low-end power, retarding yields more top-end power, generally.

I get the feeling that there is an ideal table that everybody should use.
I need to stop comparing this to "advancing the cam gear on my track car" because the two are different animals. I made 5 new VVT tables I'm going to try tomorrow and see which ones yeild the largest VE values. I also hope this fixes the AC idle issue which is back, but different. That last engine was definitely in bad shape, this one idles significantly better.
hustler is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 02:06 AM
  #339  
Elite Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Bryce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cypress, TX
Posts: 3,759
Total Cats: 35
Default

Originally Posted by hustler
I need to stop comparing this to "advancing the cam gear on my track car" because the two are different animals.
Totally the same, except VVT lets you advance and retard on demand. If you were to continue advancing the cam gear on the track car, you would start to notice a loss of top-end power and gain of low-end power.
Bryce is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 02:09 AM
  #340  
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Default

Originally Posted by Bryce
Totally the same, except VVT lets you advance and retard on demand. If you were to continue advancing the cam gear on the track car, you would start to notice a loss of top-end power and gain of low-end power.
I understand that, but I don't have a TDC reference with the VVT engine like I did the 99 engine.
hustler is offline  


Quick Reply: My awesome daily project 35mpg/150whp highway donut



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:10 PM.