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Old 10-14-2014, 11:47 PM   #521
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N00b question here...do you think it's worth it to do just the rails and leave the brace out of it?
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:48 AM   #522
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Good job G

Looks nice and clean.
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:04 AM   #523
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N00b question here...do you think it's worth it to do just the rails and leave the brace out of it?
I mostly leave the butterfly off my car because it has to come off for exhaust work, it's a PITA to put back on, and I'm a lazy bum. The frame rails definitely make a difference even without the butterfly.

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Old 10-15-2014, 01:29 AM   #524
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I will admit that I've never driven (or even ridden in) a car with rails + brace, but I feel like the rails are totally worth it by themselves. My case may be a bit extreme with the trashed rail. I didn't order the brace because I kept seeing people say what Ian is saying about the PITA thing. Plus I'm also lazy
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:40 AM   #525
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Nice job G, I remember when mine was that shiny with no dings/scratches. I can't make myself pony up the cash to add on the butterfly due to having door bars along with fender braces, just doesn't seem necessary.
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:45 AM   #526
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Gj on the rails and on protecting the fuel/brake lines. Props.

I think the rails are mandatory protection for track use, even with a cage. The fm method of attaching the fuel/brake lines is complete fail though.
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:51 AM   #527
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I mostly leave the butterfly off my car because it has to come off for exhaust work, it's a PITA to put back on, and I'm a lazy bum. The frame rails definitely make a difference even without the butterfly.

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Thank you. Years ago, I had driven a car wearing the prototype butterfly and rails (it was later turned into this), and couldn't believe the difference. Our cars were otherwise identical bracing-wise: both were high-package NA's with HDHC roll bars. I had wondered if I could get 80% of the benefit for less cost and headache.
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I will admit that I've never driven (or even ridden in) a car with rails + brace, but I feel like the rails are totally worth it by themselves. My case may be a bit extreme with the trashed rail. I didn't order the brace because I kept seeing people say what Ian is saying about the PITA thing. Plus I'm also lazy
Good deal. Pretty neat that you say that, even in addition to the bracing you already have (I'd thought about the Frog Arms or something similar at one point).

Appreciate the opinions, guys
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Old 10-15-2014, 10:03 AM   #528
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:14 AM   #529
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Oh you frame banger you
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:50 PM   #530
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Looking good EO2k!
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:04 PM   #531
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... I need to do this. My driver side frame rail is absolutely utterly hammered. That's what I get for high-centering the car on a tree.........

Thanks for posting, and for the review. And for the giggles. Entertaining read.
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Were the 70D mounts really that bad? Sadpanda. :(

I absolutely abhor the Mazdacomp mounts but don't want to ruin a car completely. :(
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70D is for when you want to orgasm every time you go above 2500rpm
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70D is for when you want to orgasm every time you go above 2500rpm
It apparently is not illegal to drive with the ***** inserted, but you shouldn't.
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:16 PM   #535
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It apparently is not illegal to drive with the ***** inserted, but you shouldn't.
*Officer radios in* "The driver appears to be driving a Miata sir, we should have seen this coming"
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Gj on the rails and on protecting the fuel/brake lines. Props.

I think the rails are mandatory protection for track use, even with a cage. The fm method of attaching the fuel/brake lines is complete fail though.
Agreed 100%. We did a set on an NA the day before following the FM directions to the letter. After sleeping on it, changes were made. I'll have to show the owner this thread and I'm sure he'll want to change his.

I actually considered flipping the bolts, or maybe using something like a carriage bolt. Then I came to my senses as I didn't want to turn a bunch of round holes into square holes, plus I don't think I could get them tight enough, and I was tired, and I didn't want to try to find more hardware on a Sunday. Remember the lazy thing?

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... I need to do this. My driver side frame rail is absolutely utterly hammered. That's what I get for high-centering the car on a tree.........

Thanks for posting, and for the review. And for the giggles. Entertaining read.


You will lose a 1/4" of ground clearance but its NBD. Your MSM has all the fancy braces Mazda could come up with, where as my NB1 has next to nothing so YMMV. Like Hornet said above, the bottom studs are suxorz. In fact, I think I snapped one of the studs last night on my terrible driveway but I've not checked yet. Just be prepared to drill and tap the rails & clearance the bolts as I did above and you should have no issues.

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Were the 70D mounts really that bad? Sadpanda. :(

I absolutely abhor the Mazdacomp mounts but don't want to ruin a car completely. :(
IMO they are ******* awesome BECAUSERACECAR motor mounts. IMO they are not ******* awesome daily driver mounts. I would not hesitate to put them in SwankForce1, but I'm pretty sure your goals for the MSM are vastly different? For the love of flying spaghetti monster, get a ride in a car that has a set before you commit. You say you hate the MazdaComps and I absolutely love them. Its all personal preference. Most of the guys commenting here have heard my car rattle so they know whats up.

BTW: anyone who thinks MazdaComps are "too much" is too old and needs to go back to M.net.

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70D is for when you want to orgasm every time you go above 2500rpm
Under 2500. Best bang for the buck is hot idle. Ohhhhhhh yeaaaaaaaah!


Aww, thanks guyth

My progress is slow, but I'm getting it done. Things are really going to start coming together in the next couple months as I work out the turbo and built motor details. I'm super excited to see it all coming together.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:15 PM   #537
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Concealer is MSMless. Driving his M.net performance special. I am curious as to why he hates mcomp mounts though.

Yeah doesn't is smooth out above 2500? I'm very seriously considering them honestly... I drive my car so little....... hmmm....................

I need to make more money
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I'm happy to ***** these things out if you guys want to give them a try. I "trust" some of you Shoot me a PM and we can work out details.
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just make sure to sanitize after he's done, he is the king of AIDZ after all
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:52 PM   #540
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I'll chime in here - I swapped personal my car to the Mazda Comp mounts and within one very short summer I pulled them out in two pieces. I think the biggest problem with the AWR mounts (the one's we sell a ton of) is that there is not enough bushing material being used, leaving the 70D mounts feeling much more solid than if you took a traditional mount and made it out of 70D material.

That being said, they are well engineered and frankly there is no magical solution to this problem. It's purely the result of a vehicle engineered to produce no more than 200whp with only two small engine mounts in a comparatively light and insubstantial PPF configuration - if you need 400whp and no vibration you've picked the wrong platform for you budget super-car. Luckily I think most of us on this forum understand that there is a trade off and given the return on investment we all find it reasonable.
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