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Old 02-19-2014, 01:23 PM   #941
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No, there was no crime. But you dont know that persons demeanor. What are they up to? This guy wasnt up to something, but there is every chance that he might have been.
That's not your problem. The Supreme Court of the land has specifically said that police cannot stop a law-abiding citizen unless they have a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime and has a reasonable belief that the person "may be armed and presently dangerous."

Being armed and not presently dangerous, or may be up to danger is not part of that ruling.

In fact, "may be armed and presently dangerous" is a good reason that all police should stop themselves.

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Considering the officer isnt the actual person who answers the phone, I doubt the caller would have got that response. But I guess you would have gotten the call to respond as an officer and said "no"?
so what? the dispatcher can't ask? Does that mean if I call police and say I heard loud noises outside, they should come and raid everyone's house in the area to make sure no one might do something illegal?


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Wrong. My dad was a cop for 28 years, all pre-9/11. **** happens. And oft times you go into a situation not really knowing all of whats really going on. And **** can and will pop off at any second.
A cop [or any other person] has no clue what's going to happen in ANY situation. that's cop-out. (pun intended.)

there's a trend today that people are walking around knocking out people and running away, on that logic, police should stop every person walking down the street because they might randomly pick a person to knock out for no good reason.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:27 PM   #942
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there's a trend today that people are walking around knocking out people and running away, on that logic, police should stop every person walking down the street because they might randomly pick a person to knock out for no good reason.
Stop and frisk + contact cards used to be the way NY cops were told to function (guess what happened to the crime rate immediately after they couldn't do it anymore).
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There was no crime. Pre-Cog is from a movie.
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I also dont watch Tom Cruise movies, so I dont know about Pre-cog.
Brain never mentioned Tom Cruise.... We've got a closeted Tom Cruise fan over here!

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Stop and frisk + contact cards used to be the way NY cops were told to function (guess what happened to the crime rate immediately after they couldn't do it anymore).
So the ends justify the means, do they Mr. Creedy?
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Admittedly, I had to look it up.(Minority Report, which is what I assume he is talking about)

Look, Im not advocating for something like the NSA(and thank you for replacing that ridiculous statement). But you and I both know the cops are paid to do a function. When they get a call, they cant choose if they want to do their job or not. I.E. I can imagine some of the beat cops replying in the fashion you laid out. But dispatchers probably dont hold the same feelings they do since they sit inside all day. But, you walk around with a rifle where very very very very few people do in a very very very very progressive liberal place like Ohio and this is what you end up with. If more places in the U.S. still allowed open carry then sure, walk about to prove your point(I.E.: They can do it in 38 other states, why cant we do it here in Ohio?). But alas, its not the 1880s any more and open carry isnt as common so it freaks some people out. And I believe the court simply tells states they cannot stop the people from defending themselves and that they have to choose either open or concealed carry by XX day or else.

There are different ways to fight this fight, and you and I both know it.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:40 PM   #945
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Stop and frisk + contact cards used to be the way NY cops were told to function (guess what happened to the crime rate immediately after they couldn't do it anymore).
Considering there was a very low number of convictions in ratio to the number of stops, im assuming not much.
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EMERGENCY: URBAN MIGHT BE UP TO NO GOOD. I SHOULD BAN HIM BEFORE HE HARMS US!
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So the ends justify the means, do they Mr. Creedy?
Unless I'm mis-remembering, Brianeack is spot on... negligible difference...

I was attempting to point out that along with linking to that being something that should NOT happen.
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EMERGENCY: URBAN MIGHT BE UP TO NO GOOD. I SHOULD BAN HIM BEFORE HE HARMS US!
Hammer away, brah.
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Unless I'm mis-remembering, Brianeack is spot on... negligible difference...

I was attempting to point out that along with linking to that being something that should NOT happen.
You left your statement open to speculation. I offer my humble apologies for besmirching your name, good sir.
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Hammer away, brah.
dont worry, as like most of these stops, ill just waste your time for a while, humiliate you, treat you like dirt, and then let you go without charges.

i just can't replicate the mass violations and laws being violated unfortunately.
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This fits well here.
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Those were fun! I like pictures.
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Brain never mentioned Tom Cruise.... We've got a closeted Tom Cruise fan over here!

I think I spoke too soon though:

Activist Post: Minority Report Is Here: Chicago Residents Get Police Visit Based on Pre-Crime Surveillance List

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Chicago's "Heat List" is an index of approximately 400 people who have been identified by a computer algorithm as being future threats to commit violent crime. Without having actually committed a crime, some of those on the list are beginning to get visits from Chicago police warning them that they are already being watched:
When the Chicago Police Department sent one of its commanders to Robert McDaniel’s home last summer, the 22-year-old high school dropout was surprised. Though he lived in a neighborhood well-known for bloodshed on its streets, he hadn’t committed a crime or interacted with a police officer recently. And he didn’t have a violent criminal record, nor any gun violations. In August, he incredulously told the Chicago Tribune, "I haven't done nothing that the next kid growing up hadn't done.” Yet, there stood the female police commander at his front door with a stern message: if you commit any crimes, there will be major consequences. We’re watching you.
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This indicates a fundamental shift in the way policing will be done in the future of America. Until now, we have been reporting on this type of technology and have been forced to speculate about its coming implementation. Well, now there is no doubt. And lest anyone believe that this is just an outcropping of Chicago's notoriously Police State-happy mentality, Police Commander Jonathan Lewin matter-of-factly states the following:
This[program will become a national best practice. This will inform police departments around the country and around the world on how best to utilize predictive policing to solve problems. This is about saving lives.
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The police deleted the footage off of his phone and seized his handgun.

The charge was disorderly conduct. He went to court today and the charges were dismissed.
how am i under arrest?

cause im placing you under arrest, and now i have your id.
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Unlawfully imprisoned at gunpoint by Kansas City Missouri police for open carrying a pistol. Residence searched illegally against my will without a warrant without probable cause. 2nd Amendment violation. 4th Amendment violation. Unreasonable search and seizure. Civil rights violation. Kansas City Police Department. Raw unedited footage. Officers and badge numbers Schultz 2142 Barnett 1080 O'Rear 2232 Robinson 613 Steele 1273. 02/19/2014 09:30 Molon Labed

THE GUN WAS ON SAFE WHILE IN MY POSESSION!! at approximately 21 seconds in the video, a distinct "click" is heard. That is the OFFICER moving the safety selector from safe to the fire ready position.
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this is a pretty good tatic for cops to get your information and put you on a list.
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5000 printed and in the mail (not mine though as I haven't finished rest of class hours needed).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,696877.story
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SAFE Act charges dismissed against Lockport man » Local News » Niagara Gazette

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During the traffic stop, Watson said, police had the right to ensure their safety by taking the magazine out of the pistol — but they went too far when they saw how much ammunition was in the weapon without a warrant.

Hoffmann said he didn't know if the decision would be appealed. Tresmond said he believed that probably won't happen. He said U.S. District Judge William Skretny had ruled in December the seven-bullet rule was unconstitutional.

The controversial Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act was signed into law by Gov. Andrew Cuomo in January 2013. Wojdan was the first SAFE Act arrest for Lockport Police.
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