Gun Rights: Should you be allowed to own an RPG?
03-14-2014, 01:18 PM
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I would assume he is talking about what Spamnavy has posted a little bit about, which from my understanding is that everyone is laughing at the laws they just passed.
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03-14-2014, 01:22 PM
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I dunno about citizens rioting, but the CT cops WANT to riot/loot/pillage:
Psycho Door-Kicking Cop Embodies Strong Argument Against Gun Registration - Hit & Run : Reason.com
Psycho Door-Kicking Cop Embodies Strong Argument Against Gun Registration - Hit & Run : Reason.com
In a heated Facebook conversation about Connecticut's gun registration law, enforcement, and defiance thereof, supplied by activist John Cinque to Freedom Outpost, [Branford, Connecticut, Police Department's Officer Joseph] Peterson remarked at one point, "I give my left nut to bang down your door and come for your gun...you idiot grow up."
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03-14-2014, 01:56 PM
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Here's the story... in response to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the CT legislature pulled some **** outside the normal law-making structure to get an Assault Weapons Bill passed. It places a ban on sales, and mandatory registration of currently owned weapons and magazines of more than 10rds. It went into effect in January. Since then, it's esimated that somewhere south of 10% have complied... which means you probably have several hundred thousand brand new felons in CT.
What is now happening is that some people who actually tried to obey the law and register their weapons got their paperwork denied for not getting it in on time or some clerical error and are being sent letters saying they need to get rid of their stuff. The State of CT knows you own the stuff because you tried to register it, but now that you're paperwork is denied, it's ILLEGAL, so the next step is that state police starts banging on those doors and executing searches/seizures/arrests of those people. It will happen... and when it happens, anybody want to place bets on how many people die?
Connecticut Sends Letter to Unregistered Gun Owners to Surrender Firearms | Ben Swann Truth In Media
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Connecticut Carry - Press Release - To Officials of the State of Connecticut: Either Enforce or Repeal 2013 Anti-gun Laws.
All of this is exactly what was predicted to happen. This is exactly why we pro-gun types and the NRA refuse to "compromise". The anti-gun lobby swears up and down "the gov't isn't going to come take your guns"... it's one of their biggest tools to try and convince non-gun-owners to think gun-owners and 2nd Amendment supporters are just crazy right-wing nutjobs.
And of all the states to try this ****, we have CT, "The Constitution State" of all places... while a lot of people tend to think of several New England states in the same tongue as Cali when it comes to gun laws, you gotta remember that the pussies only really live in the cities... everybody out in the country, whether you're in CA or CT is just as redneck as your average Georgia boy... good luck being the first cop through the door when you try and arrest somebody who would truly rather die than give up their guns.
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03-19-2014, 07:59 AM
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Gun Owner Info Seized in ATF Raid in San Diego: Store CEO | NBC 7 San Diego
Some San Diego-area gun owners are concerned about federal agents taking their personal information in a weekend raid on a gun parts store.
Ares Armor doesn't sell guns. It sells gun parts.
Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearm and Explosives, or ATF, raided its store in National City over the weekend.
Video shared with NBC 7 shows agents rushing into the store and using a sledgehammer on a safe.
On Monday customers like U.S. Marine Arnold Yaptangco were concerned.
“I'm kind of fearful and I'm a law abiding citizen,” Yaptangco said.
According to the company's CEO, agents took Polymer 80% receivers and computers containing customer information.
The gun parts are part of the investigation, but Yaptangco doesn't understand why authorities need his information.
“I feel if they could do it to these guys 100% legit business. They could do it to anyone.They can just raid in and search for whatever reason,” Yaptangco told NBC 7.
NBC 7 contacted ATF and received this statement:
"Ares Armor is under investigation for federal firearms violation. We served a lawful federal search warrant at a number of their businesses."
When asked about customer information on the computers the bureau spokesperson replied with “no comment.”
"It seems like they overstepped boundaries as a federal organization,” customer Jerry Gomez said.
The company’s CEO met with attorneys Sunday to try to get the computers back. He plans to take further legal action to protect his customers.
Ares Armor doesn't sell guns. It sells gun parts.
Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearm and Explosives, or ATF, raided its store in National City over the weekend.
Video shared with NBC 7 shows agents rushing into the store and using a sledgehammer on a safe.
On Monday customers like U.S. Marine Arnold Yaptangco were concerned.
“I'm kind of fearful and I'm a law abiding citizen,” Yaptangco said.
According to the company's CEO, agents took Polymer 80% receivers and computers containing customer information.
The gun parts are part of the investigation, but Yaptangco doesn't understand why authorities need his information.
“I feel if they could do it to these guys 100% legit business. They could do it to anyone.They can just raid in and search for whatever reason,” Yaptangco told NBC 7.
NBC 7 contacted ATF and received this statement:
"Ares Armor is under investigation for federal firearms violation. We served a lawful federal search warrant at a number of their businesses."
When asked about customer information on the computers the bureau spokesperson replied with “no comment.”
"It seems like they overstepped boundaries as a federal organization,” customer Jerry Gomez said.
The company’s CEO met with attorneys Sunday to try to get the computers back. He plans to take further legal action to protect his customers.
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03-19-2014, 08:56 AM
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this makes the story even worse:
Federal agents raid four Ares Armor gun part stores in San Diego County, confiscating polymer 80 percent lower receivers and customer lists | FOX5 San Diego
Federal agents raid four Ares Armor gun part stores in San Diego County, confiscating polymer 80 percent lower receivers and customer lists | FOX5 San Diego
The raid happened three days after Ares owner was granted a temporary restraining by a judge to stop ATF agents from searching their stores.
The ATF confirmed they were investigating the stores for federal firearm violations stemming from the sale of a new plastic version of the 80 percent lowers, which gun enthusiast use to build their own AR-15 rifles.
Building a rifle with specific versions of the 80 percent receivers is legal. The polymer lower receiver appears to be manufactured differently with two parts, making them a firearm and illegal sell, according to the ATF.
“We did ask the court to clarify if these things were firearms or not,” said Karras. “We did ask for protection as this gets resolved within the court system.”
Karras said they had their polymer lower receivers locked in a closet ready to turn over to the ATF since Wednesday. He was more concerned about the federal agents taking lists of his customers’ information.
“If anybody is a criminal organization that should be investigated, I think they should look in the mirror. We gave them a black eye publicly,” Karras said. “They tried to do an underhanded deal with us. They said, ‘Hey hush, hush. Keep it secret and nobody’s going to know that we took the customer list from you. Nobody’s going to know we took this from you.’”
The investigation has some customers nervous about their right to bear arms.
“I’m on that list, and I’m waiting for the knock on the door to tell me they are here to remove my second amendment rights,” one customer told Fox 5.
The ATF confirmed they were investigating the stores for federal firearm violations stemming from the sale of a new plastic version of the 80 percent lowers, which gun enthusiast use to build their own AR-15 rifles.
Building a rifle with specific versions of the 80 percent receivers is legal. The polymer lower receiver appears to be manufactured differently with two parts, making them a firearm and illegal sell, according to the ATF.
“We did ask the court to clarify if these things were firearms or not,” said Karras. “We did ask for protection as this gets resolved within the court system.”
Karras said they had their polymer lower receivers locked in a closet ready to turn over to the ATF since Wednesday. He was more concerned about the federal agents taking lists of his customers’ information.
“If anybody is a criminal organization that should be investigated, I think they should look in the mirror. We gave them a black eye publicly,” Karras said. “They tried to do an underhanded deal with us. They said, ‘Hey hush, hush. Keep it secret and nobody’s going to know that we took the customer list from you. Nobody’s going to know we took this from you.’”
The investigation has some customers nervous about their right to bear arms.
“I’m on that list, and I’m waiting for the knock on the door to tell me they are here to remove my second amendment rights,” one customer told Fox 5.
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03-19-2014, 08:57 AM
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Forget the RPG, can't even have a tattoo nowadays:
‘Gun’ Tattoo Mistakenly Brings Heavily Armed Police To Maine Man’s Home « CBS Connecticut
‘Gun’ Tattoo Mistakenly Brings Heavily Armed Police To Maine Man’s Home « CBS Connecticut
Police armed with assault rifles descended on a Maine man’s home after members of a tree removal crew he’d told to clear off his property reported that he had a gun.
Turns out the “gun” the tree crew had seen on Michael Smith of Norridgewock was just a life-sized tattoo of a handgun on his stomach.
Smith, who works nights, was asleep when the tree crew contracted by a utility to trim branches near power lines, woke him up at about 10 a.m. Tuesday.
He went outside shirtless and yelled at the workers to leave. When he’s not wearing a shirt, the tattoo looks like a gun tucked into his waistband.
Smith tells the Morning Sentinel the tattoo has never been a problem before.
Police didn’t charge him.
Turns out the “gun” the tree crew had seen on Michael Smith of Norridgewock was just a life-sized tattoo of a handgun on his stomach.
Smith, who works nights, was asleep when the tree crew contracted by a utility to trim branches near power lines, woke him up at about 10 a.m. Tuesday.
He went outside shirtless and yelled at the workers to leave. When he’s not wearing a shirt, the tattoo looks like a gun tucked into his waistband.
Smith tells the Morning Sentinel the tattoo has never been a problem before.
Police didn’t charge him.
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03-21-2014, 07:57 AM
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This is great, cops don't have a clue what to do with dealing with law abiding citizens, so they stalk them (hey i bet there's laws about that...):
additional audio from the cops:
additional audio from the cops:
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03-27-2014, 12:46 PM
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Open-carry gun lawsuit claims Flint Township police improperly jailed man Christmas Eve | MLive.com
A Flint Township man has filed a lawsuit on claims he had to spend Christmas in jail when he was stopped by police while legally openly carrying his pistol.
Flint Township police argue the man's gun was concealed when he was stopped and the officer was within his rights to detain the man.
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A police dashcam recorded the stop and arrest. McMorris can be seen stopping when the police car lights activated and puts his hands over his head. The gun is visible on his right hip.
The officer removes the gun from its holster and has McMorris place his hands on the front of the police car.
The township's attorney defended the stop, saying the officer passed McMorris about 15 minutes prior to the meeting on his way to another call. Morris said the officer flashed his bright lights at McMorris and could clearly see his right side but did not observe any gun.
The video shows the officer telling McMorris when he passed him previously he could not see the gun and it must have been covered by his coat.
"I didn't know the front of my coat was covering it, sir," McMorris could be heard saying on the video. "I'm very sorry."
Flint Township police argue the man's gun was concealed when he was stopped and the officer was within his rights to detain the man.
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A police dashcam recorded the stop and arrest. McMorris can be seen stopping when the police car lights activated and puts his hands over his head. The gun is visible on his right hip.
The officer removes the gun from its holster and has McMorris place his hands on the front of the police car.
The township's attorney defended the stop, saying the officer passed McMorris about 15 minutes prior to the meeting on his way to another call. Morris said the officer flashed his bright lights at McMorris and could clearly see his right side but did not observe any gun.
The video shows the officer telling McMorris when he passed him previously he could not see the gun and it must have been covered by his coat.
"I didn't know the front of my coat was covering it, sir," McMorris could be heard saying on the video. "I'm very sorry."
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03-27-2014, 02:44 PM
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I'm so glad this dudes political career is over: State Sen. Leland Yee indicted on arms trafficking, corruption charges - San Jose Mercury News
And it goes on. I would encourage a full read.
Best one-liner I've heard about this today:
Check out Lee's legislative history, its a doozy.
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SAN FRANCISCO -- In a stunning criminal complaint, State Sen. Leland Yee has been charged with conspiring to traffic in firearms and public corruption as part of a major FBI operation spanning the Bay Area, casting yet another cloud of corruption over the Democratic establishment in the Legislature and torpedoing Yee's aspirations for statewide office.
Yee and an intermediary allegedly met repeatedly with an undercover FBI agent, soliciting campaign contributions in exchange for setting up a deal with international arms dealers.
At their first face-to-face meeting in January, "Senator Yee explained he has known the arms dealer for a number of years and has developed a close relationship with him," an FBI affidavit says, noting Yee told the agent the arms dealer "has things that you guys want."
Yee, D-San Francisco, highlights a series of arrests Wednesday morning that included infamous Chinatown gangster Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow, whose past includes a variety of charges including racketeering and drug crimes. Targets of the early-morning raids appeared in federal court in San Francisco on Wednesday afternoon.
A 137-page criminal complaint charges 26 people -- including Yee and Chow -- with a panoply of crimes, including firearms trafficking, money laundering, murder-for-hire, drug distribution, trafficking in contraband cigarettes, and honest services fraud.
Yee is charged with conspiracy to traffic in firearms without a license and to illegally import firearms, as well as six counts of scheming to defraud citizens of honest services. Each corruption count is punishable by up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000, while the gun-trafficking count is punishable by up to five years and $250,000.
The charges are particularly shocking given that Yee has been among the state Senate's most outspoken advocates both of gun control and of good-government initiatives.
Yee and an intermediary allegedly met repeatedly with an undercover FBI agent, soliciting campaign contributions in exchange for setting up a deal with international arms dealers.
At their first face-to-face meeting in January, "Senator Yee explained he has known the arms dealer for a number of years and has developed a close relationship with him," an FBI affidavit says, noting Yee told the agent the arms dealer "has things that you guys want."
Yee, D-San Francisco, highlights a series of arrests Wednesday morning that included infamous Chinatown gangster Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow, whose past includes a variety of charges including racketeering and drug crimes. Targets of the early-morning raids appeared in federal court in San Francisco on Wednesday afternoon.
A 137-page criminal complaint charges 26 people -- including Yee and Chow -- with a panoply of crimes, including firearms trafficking, money laundering, murder-for-hire, drug distribution, trafficking in contraband cigarettes, and honest services fraud.
Yee is charged with conspiracy to traffic in firearms without a license and to illegally import firearms, as well as six counts of scheming to defraud citizens of honest services. Each corruption count is punishable by up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000, while the gun-trafficking count is punishable by up to five years and $250,000.
The charges are particularly shocking given that Yee has been among the state Senate's most outspoken advocates both of gun control and of good-government initiatives.
Best one-liner I've heard about this today:
Originally Posted by Dude on Reddit
It makes sense that [Yee] would be anti-gun and pro-gun control-- it only raises the prices of his goods.
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04-02-2014, 08:10 AM
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first time by-self going to friends house then back to my pregnant wife and kid. after arrest They processed me and got me out 5 in hours without a charge. The taze was uncalled for :/.. could move... just preferred not to xD. Wish that retarded SA ordinance would go(ill know next time) because they mistook it, it says that i shall not carry a loaded firearm in a public road... And i never stepped off the sidewalk... next time i should not say much about my arms ready stat? I now know they really had nothing more than brute force and intimidation I guess, then unlawful assault, battery, and kidnapping... For your fam, my fam, and future fam 
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04-02-2014, 09:47 AM
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Sunday night, residential neighborhood, 19ys old, OC'ing a long-gun, carrying a camera... yup, par for the course.
That's what happens when an OC'er is more interested in the actual fight with police than he is in just going about his business. Yes Brain, I know... but guys like that retard who think they're smart about the law then talk themselves into a fight. That kid has a 15 minute conversation with the cops for no reason other than to satisfy his own ego and gets tased and arrested because he let the cops talk him into reaching for his gun.
"Am I free to go?"
If yes, then walk off. If no, then keep your mouth shut and let the cops do whatever it is that they're going to do, because they're going to do it anyways. Respectfully refuse to answer questions. Continue to ask if you're free to go. Do not lie. DO NOT ******* EVER REACH FOR YOUR GUN. Standing there debating until they actually find something to take you in on is the epitome of retarded because you let them do it to you... and that's the difference between somebody who knows the law and somebody who thinks they know the law, but just wants a fight.
When they do finally decide they're going to search or cuff you, make sure they give you an actual order.
"Sir, respectfully, I do not consent to being disarmed or searched. I will comply with any order you give me, but I won't volutarily give up my rights."
I fight the good fight by joining and donating to to several national and local-grassroots gun-rights groups. I send emails to my reps in the gov't, I attend city-council mtg's when gun stuff is on the agendy, I support local gun-friendly businesses, I buy my gun-stuff locally as much as I can, I have stickers on all my cars, and I carry everywhere I'm legally able to. I am a 100% single-issue gun-rights voter. I have OC'd in the presence of police officers many times and never even been given an evil-eye... of course I'm a 6'4" white guy who dresses like an adult and use a quality retention holster like you should. There is a right-way and wrong-way to OC, and "being legal" doesn't always work in your favor if that's all you're counting on to keep you out of jail.
If I saw some kid walking down my street with a slung AR and carrying a camera, I'd call the police too. **** those guys, all they do is make the rest of us look like nut-jobs no matter how "not doing anything illegal" they are.
That's what happens when an OC'er is more interested in the actual fight with police than he is in just going about his business. Yes Brain, I know... but guys like that retard who think they're smart about the law then talk themselves into a fight. That kid has a 15 minute conversation with the cops for no reason other than to satisfy his own ego and gets tased and arrested because he let the cops talk him into reaching for his gun.
"Am I free to go?"
If yes, then walk off. If no, then keep your mouth shut and let the cops do whatever it is that they're going to do, because they're going to do it anyways. Respectfully refuse to answer questions. Continue to ask if you're free to go. Do not lie. DO NOT ******* EVER REACH FOR YOUR GUN. Standing there debating until they actually find something to take you in on is the epitome of retarded because you let them do it to you... and that's the difference between somebody who knows the law and somebody who thinks they know the law, but just wants a fight.
When they do finally decide they're going to search or cuff you, make sure they give you an actual order.
"Sir, respectfully, I do not consent to being disarmed or searched. I will comply with any order you give me, but I won't volutarily give up my rights."
I fight the good fight by joining and donating to to several national and local-grassroots gun-rights groups. I send emails to my reps in the gov't, I attend city-council mtg's when gun stuff is on the agendy, I support local gun-friendly businesses, I buy my gun-stuff locally as much as I can, I have stickers on all my cars, and I carry everywhere I'm legally able to. I am a 100% single-issue gun-rights voter. I have OC'd in the presence of police officers many times and never even been given an evil-eye... of course I'm a 6'4" white guy who dresses like an adult and use a quality retention holster like you should. There is a right-way and wrong-way to OC, and "being legal" doesn't always work in your favor if that's all you're counting on to keep you out of jail.
If I saw some kid walking down my street with a slung AR and carrying a camera, I'd call the police too. **** those guys, all they do is make the rest of us look like nut-jobs no matter how "not doing anything illegal" they are.
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04-02-2014, 11:25 AM
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So yes, I share your frustration sir, I really do.
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04-02-2014, 05:08 PM
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samnavy in action: 11-year-old building tree fort says officer pulled gun on him,... | www.wsbtv.com
But some people leave their house begging to get fucked with by the police, and then get all butt-hurt when the police oblige them. I honestly don't know what the solution is, because "hoping the police will come to their senses" certainly isn't working. And OC'ing with "intent to get fucked with" usually doesn't work either. And because I don't know what the solution is, I'll live my life in a manner that doesn't directly lead to me geting fucked with, no matter how "legal" what I'm doing might be.
Like I said, I'm one of the guys who is fighting the fight, and we are winning on almost every single gun-rights front there is. The "look at me OC" asshats take us all a step back everytime a cop has to deal with one of them. And to be clear, like I said in my last post... THERE IS A RIGHT WAY, AND A WRONG WAY TO OC. This is independent of what is legal, and it's not subtle. Yes, I know the full extend of what I'm saying and how fucked up what I'm saying is when it comes to rights. And I'm still saying it because it's true, and because I can't ******* stand guys who OC spefically to get fucked with because it does nothing except drive the wedge down further.
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04-02-2014, 07:10 PM
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You're not gonna lay a guilt trip on me. Yes, there is a huge problem across the spectrum of "what it means to be a police officer"... this link is pretty on the mark about that.
But some people leave their house begging to get fucked with by the police, and then get all butt-hurt when the police oblige them. I honestly don't know what the solution is, because "hoping the police will come to their senses" certainly isn't working. And OC'ing with "intent to get fucked with" usually doesn't work either. And because I don't know what the solution is, I'll live my life in a manner that doesn't directly lead to me geting fucked with, no matter how "legal" what I'm doing might be.
Like I said, I'm one of the guys who is fighting the fight, and we are winning on almost every single gun-rights front there is. The "look at me OC" asshats take us all a step back everytime a cop has to deal with one of them. And to be clear, like I said in my last post... THERE IS A RIGHT WAY, AND A WRONG WAY TO OC. This is independent of what is legal, and it's not subtle. Yes, I know the full extend of what I'm saying and how fucked up what I'm saying is when it comes to rights. And I'm still saying it because it's true, and because I can't ******* stand guys who OC spefically to get fucked with because it does nothing except drive the wedge down further.
But some people leave their house begging to get fucked with by the police, and then get all butt-hurt when the police oblige them. I honestly don't know what the solution is, because "hoping the police will come to their senses" certainly isn't working. And OC'ing with "intent to get fucked with" usually doesn't work either. And because I don't know what the solution is, I'll live my life in a manner that doesn't directly lead to me geting fucked with, no matter how "legal" what I'm doing might be.
Like I said, I'm one of the guys who is fighting the fight, and we are winning on almost every single gun-rights front there is. The "look at me OC" asshats take us all a step back everytime a cop has to deal with one of them. And to be clear, like I said in my last post... THERE IS A RIGHT WAY, AND A WRONG WAY TO OC. This is independent of what is legal, and it's not subtle. Yes, I know the full extend of what I'm saying and how fucked up what I'm saying is when it comes to rights. And I'm still saying it because it's true, and because I can't ******* stand guys who OC spefically to get fucked with because it does nothing except drive the wedge down further.
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04-09-2014, 02:36 PM
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Eric Holder: Gun Owners Should Wear A "Bracelet" To Use Their Weapon | Video | RealClearPolitics
ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER: I think that one of the things that we learned when we were trying to get past those common sense reforms last year, Vice President Biden and I had a meeting with a group of technology people and we talked about how guns can be made more safe by making them either through finger print identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.
It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore so that we can make sure that people have the ability to enjoy their Second Amendment rights, while at the same time decreasing the misuse of weapons that lead to the kinds of things that we see on a daily basis.
It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore so that we can make sure that people have the ability to enjoy their Second Amendment rights, while at the same time decreasing the misuse of weapons that lead to the kinds of things that we see on a daily basis.
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