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Old 08-28-2014, 09:57 AM   #2981
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Since we're talkling about things that we find weird, what I find weird is the continual use of the phrase "recurring theme" to describe topics which are essentially isolated incidents and not, in fact, recurring in any plainly obvious sense. But then I also find it weird when people who are flat broke and living on welfare and food stamps still find it necessary to carry iPhones and subscribe to $200/month deluxe sports packages from their cable / satellite provider. This apparently makes me ignorant.
at least you can admit youre racist and dont think all US citizens deserve the same rights.
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isolated theme: police never require policing

No Jail For Oklahoma Cop Who Lied About Beating Motorist

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Miami, Oklahoma police officer Teresa Lashmet will not spend no time in jail after admitting that she committed perjury to cover up the brutal beating of a motorist that was caught on a dashcam video. Ottawa County Judge Bill Culver on Tuesday imposed a sentence of unsupervised probation for three years, deferred, and a $300 fine after she entered a plea of no contest to a charge of "outraging public decency."

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isolated theme: police are never pedofiles

Henry County police captain arrested for trying to have sex with - CBS46 News

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A Henry County police captain was arrested for trying to have sex with a 14-year-old boy, according to a spokesperson with DeKalb County police.

Authorities said Captain David McCart was arrested on Aug. 26 and charged with one count of computer pornography and child exploitation.

McCart went to DeKalb County and tried to have sex with the teen, although he never made contact with the boy, according to police.

Computers and cell phones were taken from his home by police. McCart will go to court for the first time Thursday morning at 8:30 a.m.

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Old 08-28-2014, 10:03 AM   #2984
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isolated theme: police love to raid the homes of people playing video games without any sort of cause, only because people make false reports


look how respectful they treat this kid in his own home. notice the muzzle control.

I wonder what they charged him with: peacefully playing video games at home. seems to be a pretty serious crime in USA.

QUICK HE'S PLAYING A VIDEO GAME! STEP ON HIM!

isolated theme: officer clearly violates Riley v California 2014. That's an isolated court ruling for an isolated case of police intursion.

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isolated themes: you must be doing something wrong if you need to invoke your rights. cops hate cameras.


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isolated theme: muzzle control

CPD commander charged with official misconduct, aggravated battery - Chicago Sun-Times

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One of Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy’s most valued commanders was charged Wednesday with official misconduct and aggravated battery for allegedly putting his gun in a suspect’s mouth last year, officials said.

Cmdr. Glenn Evans, who has been in charge of the Harrison District on the West Side, was stripped of his badge and gun earlier Wednesday.

Evans is scheduled to appear in bond court on Thursday on the charges, which are both felonies.

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isolated theme: policing the police

Ex-Springfield cop charged in shooting offers plea deal

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Former Springfield police officer Jason Shuck has offered to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge in the shooting of an unarmed man in May.

The proposed deal with Greene County prosecutors would leave Shuck, 35, who resigned earlier this month from the police department, with no criminal record if he successfully completed two years of unsupervised probation.

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Shuck told authorities that he meant to use his Taser when he shot Butts on May 9 near the Walmart Neighborhood Market at 1320 S. Glenstone Ave., as Butts was running away.
too fat to give chase. pretty sure even shooting a flee suspect with a taser is against policy as well; what a great deal for this murderer.

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isolated theme: hero cop drives away in the middle of an armed kidnapping

Dallas officer placed on leave for not helping frantic mother - Dallas News | myFOXdfw.com

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A Dallas police officer is on administrative leave following the Monday chase and deadly shooting of a man who had taken his children at gunpoint from their mother.

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Kilson says that Douglas was trying to her and her children's lives.

“When he pointed it right at me, I looked and my baby, she said, ‘Mama, he's gonna shoot me!'” said Kilson. “‘Cause she's in the passenger seat; he's on the right side. ‘Mama, he's gonna shoot me!' I heard the shot. I didn't see ‘cause I turned so hard to the left and now I'm crossing the median in oncoming traffic where my car was disabled. It just wouldn't go no more. Now we're facing the wrong side of traffic and everybody's coming toward us.”

Kilson says Douglas came to her car.

“He reached into the windows, pulls it out,” said Kilson. “And as the window exploded in my face, I actually thought he shot it; I didn't know at the time. But I did see his hands up and he pulled [the window] out. And I looked over, and as I looked up out that passenger window, I swear I saw an angel ‘cause I saw a police car right at my car.”

In that squad car was Cpl. Richardson.

“That man looked up, he said, ‘What's going on?'” said Kilson. “Right at my window, directly. I said, ‘Get him, get him!' As [Douglas] got the gun, Maya said, ‘Get out, get out!' [Douglas] saw the policeman, so he moved the gun. He jerked my son out the car. That policeman drove off. He drove off. He didn't come back.”

Kilson had been on the phone with 911 throughout the ordeal.

“So I yelled to the lady on the phone, ‘Ma'am a cop just drove off!'” said Kilson. “I said, ‘Why did he pull up, ask me what's wrong and drive off, and now [Douglas] got my kids?'”

A male witness saw the ordeal and tried to help, even driving to find another officer.

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new isolated theme: this officer takes down a suspect who throws a punch at him without retaliation.

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notice how his body camera and dashcam protect him from a lawsuit or any claims of excessive force.

I say this because the suspect claimed that he was assaulted, and there was an investigation. The dashcam alone might suggest that the cop just attacked the suspect out of the blue, but his body cam shows the suspect threw a punch at him.

tl;dr **** the police union.

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Old 08-28-2014, 11:41 AM   #2990
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In my travels I have met a lot of folks on welfare. I have met some who I thought their "meal ticket" children should have been taken and given to sane people and woman who got her degree and was teaching school last i saw her. - One time she made some money and dutifully reported the income. It wound up costing her three times that for some brilliant state employee or stupid rules determined that what she made that week she should make every week for the month. Really fucked up her tight finances.

I hate to see when people paint with broad brush from what is probably just some bullshit they heard from someone who heard from someone. It is a lazy kind of dishonesty. There is certainly cheats and undeserving but then I read of a white person robbed a bank the other day ....
I agree completely.

In this case, I am speaking from direct personal experience. My current relationship has led me to a considerable broadening of my circle of acquaintances, including a number of "undesirables" who are either current or former substance abusers. None are physically disabled, though many are chronically unemployed or underemployed. I have attended small social gatherings with certain of the above, and I have made a number of observations:

1: Smartphone ownership among this group is nearly 100%, with a strong preference shown for the later-model iPhones.

2: The majority smoke cigarettes to the tune of 1-2 packs per day at around $14 a pack, the average price across the state of New York. (source) In case $14 doesn't seem like a lot, that's $420-$840 per month on cigarettes alone. The mortgage on my last house was less than $840 / month.

3: Most "couples" among this group are unmarried, more than half of the unmarried women have children, and among those with more than one child, there is a strong bias towards the children having multiple fathers.

4: Most males in this group own two or more high-end videogaming systems of either the current generation or one generation previous. Additionally, males and families with adult males seem to subscribe to premium cable TV plans which heavily feature a large amount of sports programming, costing on average around $150-200 per month.

5: A very strong preference is exhibited for consuming takeout / fast food / delivery food, as opposed to cooking in the home. Many individuals and couples in this group, including those with small children at home, literally never cook their own food at all despite residing in an apartment with a functional kitchen.

and, most relevant:

6: I have, on several occasions, overheard one food-stamp* recipient brag to another food-stamp recipient the sort of nonessential products which they have been able to get away with buying. Examples here including Monster brand energy drink, various candy products, and "high end" cuts of meat and seafood.
* = I acknowledge that there is more than one class of need-based supplemental nutritional assistance available, each with different rules, and I don't know enough about them to discriminate between them.

In the same way that it rubs you as offensive to see uninformed people paint an overly-broad negative image of sloth and abuse in the social-welfare programs, I am likewise annoyed by those who use the same brush to attack individuals making well-informed and specific criticisms of same, based on lofty but unfounded idealistic visions of the world.






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at least you can admit youre racist and dont think all US citizens deserve the same rights.
With regard to the observation above, with one exception, 100% these people are either white or Hispanic like myself. Thus, this observation is not at all racist. In fact, I find it somewhat telling that you immediately equated race with poverty.

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isolated theme: In CA, it is legal to kill/manslaughter so long as you're doing it while being completely negligent for purposes of your employment

Deputy who killed former Napster COO after drifting into the bike lane while distracted by his laptop will NOT face charges because he was answering a work-related email | Mail Online

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Prosecutors said in a letter released Wednesday and cited by Los Angeles Daily News that because Wood was acting within the course of his duties when typing into his computer, criminal charges are not warranted.
Under the law, law enforcement officials are allowed to use electronic wireless devices while carrying out their duties.

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Old 08-28-2014, 02:10 PM   #2992
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isolated theme: apparently police have nunkchucks and know how to use them

Suit alleges DPD officer slammed woman into walls, used police nunchaku | kdvr.com

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A woman who called 911 during an argument with her boyfriend has filed a civil rights lawsuit against the Denver Police Department, claiming that officers inappropriately searched her home and then beat and arrested her when she objected to the search.

In the suit, Patricia Lucero claims DPD officers Marika Putnam and Kenneth Starbuck slammed her into walls and an elevator door while applying a painful joint lock using a police-issue nunchaku.
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isolated theme: meanwhile in denver:

Denver police are asking for 800 body cameras for officers - The Denver Post

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Denver police on Wednesday said they hope to equip 800 officers, including all patrol and traffic officers, with body cameras in 2015.

The cameras, which will record audio and video, not only will protect people who make legitimate complaints, authorities say, but the technology also should protect police from false allegations of excessive force.

"The body camera will clear up those moments of conflict," Chief Robert White said. "We're very comfortable that we are going in the right direction."
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isolated theme: police will do whatever it is necessary in order to get you to produce ID and talk to them (ie. violate your 5th), including arresting you for no reason and tasing you


fwiw, not that it's releveant in any way. Those officers both make ~$85K a year.


and before joe says the he shouldn't have kept calming debating his alleged arrestable offense with the police (they never state he was suspected of a crime): Plummer v. State. upheld by: John Bad Elk v. U.S.
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isolated theme: dashcam video captures police crimes on tape. suspect exhorneted. police now under investigation. again, isolated. I've never EVER posted about something like this happening, ever.


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Chicago and suburban Glenview police officers accused of lying in court are now facing a new lawsuit.

The five officers are accused of lying about a traffic stop and drug arrest. Dashboard camera video was key in the case and will likely be in the lawsuit.

The lawsuit alleges one of the officers, before the arrest, ordered all dash cams be turned off. But one camera was left on, and the video would contradict the officers' testimony.

Police dash cam video shows officers putting Joseph Sperling in handcuffs and violating, he says, his constitutional rights.

"If it could happen to me, it can honestly happen to anybody. And I just happen to be one of the lucky few that has a video that proves that they were wrong," said Sperling.

The five officers involved in the June arrest, two from Glenview police and three from Chicago, are now being investigated by the Cook County State's Attorney's office for allegedly lying about how Sperling was arrested.

"If the police want to make a case proving drug crimes, proving responsibility, they have to follow the law. And they can't lie," said Jon Loevy, Sperling's attorney.

The five officers all told the same story in court: that they pulled Sperling over for a traffic violation and that he agreed to a search.

"According to them, they then took Joe to the back, searched the car with his permission, according to the police, whereupon they saw the drugs lying in plain view," said Loevy.

But the lawsuit alleges the officers were unaware of this Glenview police dash cam video, which appears to show Sperling immediately being arrested, before any search is performed.

"In America, you have a right not to be searched unless you have probable cause. They can't just walk up to you, arrest you, and say hey, maybe you got drugs. Maybe we'll find them," said Loevy.

Sperling admitted there were hidden drugs in his vehicle, but when the video came to light, Cook County Judge Catherine Haberkorn dismissed the charges against him, saying at a hearing last month: "All officers lied on the stand today. The evidence that's been submitted is directly contrary to their testimony."

Sperling has now filed a federal lawsuit.
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isolated theme: police will do whatever it is necessary in order to get you to produce ID and talk to them (ie. violate your 5th), including arresting you for no reason and tasing you

Black man taken to jail for sitting in public area - YouTube

fwiw, not that it's releveant in any way. Those officers both make ~$85K a year.


and before joe says the he shouldn't have kept calming debating his alleged arrestable offense with the police (they never state he was suspected of a crime): Plummer v. State. upheld by: John Bad Elk v. U.S.
This is honestly my worst fear.
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This is honestly my worst fear.
don't worry. this was an isolated case and things like this just dont happen. just be compliant, waive your rights whenever possible, and be a good slave.
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Relevant: http://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/cg...context=lalrev


Scott is on target in citing Plummer v. State. Very important and oft-cited case which establishes that you do, in fact, have the right to resist an unlawful arrest, or to aid a person who is being unlawfully arrested in resisting. This places an interesting burden on the citizen, somewhat like that incumbent upon every member of the US Armed Forces to to "obey the lawful orders" of their superiors.
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it's not often cited. it was a very isolated case, and it's never happened again. unlawful arrests DONT happen.
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it's not often cited. it was a very isolated case, and it's never happened again. unlawful arrests DONT happen.
Recurring (as of earlier today) theme: Reductio ad absurdum.

There's a difference between "sometimes" and "always" or "never."

For instance, the sentence "Scott always takes stories alleging police corruption out of context" is false, because Scott has demonstrated that sometimes he posts things which are factual, relevant and correctly reported, and sometimes he makes over-broad generalizations based on the actions of a minority.

This latter behavior is essentially the same folly committed by those who create and perpetuate racial stereotypes, such as "All Asians are good at math, all Jews are greedy, all Virginians are hillbillies and all Blacks are inner-city gang members." While there may certainly be observable trends to support the assertion that members of those demographics may disproportionately exhibit the named characteristic as compared to a statistical mean, that is a different thing from it being universally true.
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