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Old 06-07-2012, 03:55 PM   #2161
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My question--unless liberals are ready to turn a blind eye to ALL this peripheral evidence of Obama's past, would they really CHOOSE to vote for a Socialist--in deed if not in name?

What's the difference?
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:01 PM   #2163
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What's the difference?
If someone could prove to me that Bush started wars in order to enrich his oil buddies, I'd be first in line to vote his *** out of office.

Somehow I don't think that logic applies to the Left. They'd be quite happy to see that "fundamental transformation" of America take place, despite all the proof of Socialism's failure past and present.
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If someone could prove to me that Bush started wars in order to enrich his oil buddies, I'd be first in line to vote his *** out of office.

Somehow I don't think that logic applies to the Left. They'd be quite happy to see that "fundamental transformation" of America take place, despite all the proof of Socialism's failure past and present.
you need to read See No Evil
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:12 PM   #2165
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I still don't understand. Him leading us to socialism is part of the fundamental change...

I mean he said that's what he was going to do. I mean hell, my signature is a quote from Obama himself.

But we dont vote on budgets anymore, we dont need congress to delcare war, we can use agencies like the EPA as our army, 51% of households receive some sort of gov't assistance, war against the rich, redistribution, the collective responsiblity (food stamps, bail outs) no one is allowed to fail, carbon taxes, higer energy pricing policies, gr$$n bullshit, selective regulation and taxation, penalize the good, prop up the bad, social justice, distain for the consitution and the supreme court, believes he's greater than congress and supreme court.

Let's just say this, if he had ran in France, he'd have beated out Hollande



now for why it was totally obvious:

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If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court. I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I’d be o.k. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.

I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know, the institution just isn’t structured that way.
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They don't want the whole pie. There are some who do, but most Americans feel blessed just being able to thrive a little bit. But that is becoming even more out of reach. If we don't wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership, for how we want this country to work, then we won't get universal health care. The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.
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So we're going to provide a $4,000 tuition credit, every student, every year, but, students, you're going to have to give back something in return. You're going to have to participate in community service. You're going to have to work in a homeless shelter, or a veteran's home, or an underserved school, or join the Peace Corps
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And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiments as a way to explain their frustrations
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We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK
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It’s because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation

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The great task before our founders was putting into practice the ideal that government could simultaneously serve liberty and advance the common good. and Government, he believed, had an important role to play in advancing our common prosperity
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the ultimate goal of socialism is common prosperity

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I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets
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Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union
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Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness

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Well Said Mr B Well Said!
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Well Said Mr B Well Said!
Very well said indeed. And with that, one wonders what the pretzel that Libs must twist themselves into to justify Obama would look like. Spaghetti?
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:00 PM   #2168
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oh they dont care what he says or does. they love him.
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I need to remember this defense:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/hold...ation-fast-and

Use different code names for operations with code names that are the same as other operations with the same code names.

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I need to remember this defense:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/hold...ation-fast-and

Use code names for operations that are the same as other operations with code names.
When do the political groupies on the Left finally hit themselves on the head with the hammer of common sense? I abandoned Bush in his second term because he didn't rein in the deficit, and had no problem with the growth of government. Boy was I in for a surprise...
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When do the political groupies on the Left finally hit themselves on the head with the hammer of common sense? I abandoned Bush in his second term because he didn't rein in the deficit, and had no problem with the growth of government. Boy was I in for a surprise...
But think of the children.
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"The private sector is doing fine. Where we’re seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government. Oftentimes cuts initiated by, you know, Governors or mayors who are not getting the kind of help that they have in the past from the federal government and who don’t have the same kind of flexibility as the federal government in dealing with fewer revenues coming in. " Barak Obama


Breathtakingly ignorant.
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"The private sector is doing fine. Where we’re seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government. Oftentimes cuts initiated by, you know, Governors or mayors who are not getting the kind of help that they have in the past from the federal government and who don’t have the same kind of flexibility as the federal government in dealing with fewer revenues coming in. " Barak Obama


Breathtakingly ignorant.
At the risk of trying to bring some rationality to the bash-Obama-circle-jerk...

Is it breathtakingly ignorant? Can you give a breakdown on the contributors to / drags on GDP over the past couple of years?

The first sentence depends on how you are defining the private sector - corporate versus household. Much of the former is doing very well with profits higher than pre-global financial crisis. Households, not nearly as well.
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At the risk of trying to bring some rationality to the bash-Obama-circle-jerk...

Is it breathtakingly ignorant? Can you give a breakdown on the contributors to / drags on GDP over the past couple of years?

The first sentence depends on how you are defining the private sector - corporate versus household. Much of the former is doing very well with profits higher than pre-global financial crisis. Households, not nearly as well.
Breathtakingly ignorant has turned to willful ignorance. Jack, you should read the context around these arguments as well. Are libs willing to follow Obama off a cliff like lemmings? You've given the answer.

As for a reply, the biggest drag to GDP is clearly the government. Even the best-case excuse for the stimulus shows a cost per job (created or saved ) of $200,000 per. I'm sure you have an excuse, and I will be chuckling when you 'splain it.
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Mr. Obama sought to clarify the remarks later in the day, saying "it is absolutely clear that the economy is not doing fine." He nonetheless again noted the rebound in private-sector job growth and corporate profits to contend that the private sector has "not been the biggest drag on the economy."
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ne-comment/?hp

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...hatsNewsSecond
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This is about a new law here in Indiana. Giving citizens the right to use force, even deadly force, against police if necessarily. Pretty sweet if you ask me especially considering that not too long ago here the Indiana supreme court had ruled that we do not have the right to resist unlawful entry into our homes by police officers. Well we do now.

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I wouldn't want to be the first dude to try to be protected under that law
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Say "I went to boys town, now i have weird dudes in shiny outfits coming to my house...I need a protection order pls."
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