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Old 03-02-2013, 10:47 AM   #3861
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If maximizing profits means dumping hazardous medical waste into the ocean, no. Or if maximizing profits means selling BS collections of bogus loans; or marketing cigarettes to children.......


People will act outside their own self interest, if they believe the good of the group will greater than their own.

EX: You shop at a small business, for the sake of helping the local economy. You pay more for basically the same product Amazon or Walmart may sell. Why, because you believe supporting small business is good for local economies.
I dont shop at small business just for the sake of supporting small business, I will shop at local businesses with higher prices, if they offer something thats outweighs the increase in price like knowledge or great customer service.

I believe the vast majority of human actions are self motivated. There are very few actions that you can truely say are 100 % selfless.

Why would somebody do something that doesnt bring them any happiness or benefit them in someway?

What do you mean by higher motivation?
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Anytime I hear someone say that corporations are evil (or by definition a psychopath) I immediately think they are a completely ignorant lib. Unfortunately I have to hear alot because my college is full of bleeding heart liberals.

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See what I mean; it's hard (for me anyway) to conceptualize the line where utility ends and higher motivation begins.
Why must altruism be an absolute, which excludes all other concerns?

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I did my grocery shopping at Walmart yesterday. They have avocados for 88c each over $1-1.50 each at other stores.
The State of California, which has many avocados, wisely prohibits the importation of avocados from afar.

I presume that the Commonwealth of Virginia likewise prohibits the importation of entitlement-program recipients.
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VA is a blue state, they just raised our taxes.
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I dont shop at small business just for the sake of supporting small business, I will shop at local businesses with higher prices, if they offer something thats outweighs the increase in price like knowledge or great customer service.

I believe the vast majority of human actions are self motivated. There are very few actions that you can truely say are 100 % selfless.

Why would somebody do something that doesnt bring them any happiness or benefit them in someway?

What do you mean by higher motivation?
A "higher motivation" would be doing something due to conscious thought about utility in how it effects a larger scale then oneself. Thinking in only "base" utility, would be shopping at the cheapest, closest store possible. It's all about you, so to speak.

"Advanced" utility (TM pending), would be thinking of other indirect factors which may raise the utility of the group as a whole, although personal utility may suffer.

EX: Instead of going to walmart for your fruit, go to insert-name-here local grocery. You pay more, drive further, for basically the same product. But you believe the loss of personal utility will be offset by increasing group utility, for a net gain (by stimulating the local economy, employing local people, etc).

Although I do conceded that one could interpret shopping at the smaller store as 100% personal utility, as the user may only be concerned with their internal image, or how others view them. Hard to say without the id and the ego at the table (superego is clearly at the bar buying our drinks )




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Anytime I hear someone say that corporations are evil (or by definition a psychopath) I immediately think they are a completely ignorant lib. Unfortunately I have to hear alot because my college is full of bleeding heart liberals.
LOL at me being a liberal. I just don't buy the idea that corporations care about people, or long term economic growth of a country, or industry. They care about one thing; profit, at the expense of all else. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it can have negative consequences. Do corporations not dump medical waste into rivers because they care so much about the environment that they're willing to pay more to dispose of it properly? Or do they only do so because it's the law not to?

(cough) Love Canal (cough)





EDIT: I've been called a neo-****, a terrorist lover, a communist, a libertarian, an anarchist, and been accused of caring only for monetary gain over the value of human life; all in one political science class (although it was a 5 credit hour class). I love ill fitting labels.


Although I do feel for the plight of intellectual ignorance in the halls of higher learning. The more schooling they get, the less they can learn. From my short stay there, I probably feel the same way you do about so-called "intellectuals and scholars".
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It’s not like somebody is taking wheelbarrows full of dollar bills and throwing them out the window
I dont know about that, it is the gov't we are talking about.
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A "higher motivation" would be doing something due to conscious thought about utility in how it effects a larger scale then oneself. Thinking in only "base" utility, would be shopping at the cheapest, closest store possible. It's all about you, so to speak.

"Advanced" utility (TM pending), would be thinking of other indirect factors which may raise the utility of the group as a whole, although personal utility may suffer.

EX: Instead of going to walmart for your fruit, go to insert-name-here local grocery. You pay more, drive further, for basically the same product. But you believe the loss of personal utility will be offset by increasing group utility, for a net gain (by stimulating the local economy, employing local people, etc).

Although I do conceded that one could interpret shopping at the smaller store as 100% personal utility, as the user may only be concerned with their internal image, or how others view them. Hard to say without the id and the ego at the table (superego is clearly at the bar buying our drinks )






LOL at me being a liberal. I just don't buy the idea that corporations care about people, or long term economic growth of a country, or industry. They care about one thing; profit, at the expense of all else. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it can have negative consequences. Do corporations not dump medical waste into rivers because they care so much about the environment that they're willing to pay more to dispose of it properly? Or do they only do so because it's the law not to?

(cough) Love Canal (cough)





EDIT: I've been called a neo-****, a terrorist lover, a communist, a libertarian, an anarchist, and been accused of caring only for monetary gain over the value of human life; all in one political science class. I love ill fitting labels.


Although I do feel for the plight of intellectual ignorance in the halls of higher learning. The more schooling they get, the less they can learn. From my short stay there, I feel probably the same way you do about so-called "intellectuals and scholars".
Your right corporations may not care about other people, but do people really care about other people?

Your right corporations may not care about long term economic growth but many corporations create it, sure there are some doing illegal things and hurting the economy, but Id venture to say most of the are of the productive category.

Think about all the things corporations have created or invented in the last half century, that wouldnt be possible or would have taken much longer without them or all the people that are gainfully employed by a corporation.
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Your right corporations may not care about other people, but do people really care about other people?

Your right corporations may not care about long term economic growth but many corporations create it, sure there are some doing illegal things and hurting the economy, but Id venture to say most of the are of the productive category.

Think about all the things corporations have created or invented in the last half century, that wouldnt be possible or would have taken much longer without them or all the people that are gainfully employed by a corporation.

I do see the corporation as a valuable economic tool. I just don't buy into the idea of "corporations are great, they do no wrong, let the free market ride". It's all about checks and balances. As much as I dislike government intervention, certain controls need to be imposed, to prevent total dominance of the society.



I would argue that there is a certain amount of inherent care between human beings. If you had the option to let someone get beaten to death, or simply say the word to save their life, would you raise your voice? There's no direct benefit to you. You just walk into an empty room, sit down next to a microphone, and have 60 seconds to say "stop". You'll be in the room 60 seconds regardless, no change in your outcome, only the outcome of the other.

A good portion of people would save the life. Hell, there are some people who would run into a burning building to save another. Of course, there is a limit to this, but people are willing to go out of their way to help others. (Again, things like politeness blur the line between true altruism and selfish needs to improve ones self image)
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I do see the corporation as a valuable economic tool. I just don't buy into the idea of "corporations are great, they do no wrong, let the free market ride".
I'd be curious to know who is espousing this particular philosophy. While some may argue for changes to, or reductions in the scale of, corporate regulation at the legislative level, I don't believe I have ever heard a credible person argue in favor of corporate anarchy.
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I'd be curious to know who is espousing this particular philosophy. While some may argue for changes to, or reductions in the scale of, corporate regulation at the legislative level, I don't believe I have ever heard a credible person argue in favor of corporate anarchy.

It's an exaggeration of the "deregulate and the economy will improve" idea. My father drinks that cool-aid. Cut corporate tax levels and reducing taxes on those making above $250,000. That'll help the middle class.
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Corporations don't care about people because corporations can't have emotions. However, corporations are run by people, and people often care about other people. They might just not care about the same people you care about, nor to the same degree.
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The bible is now on the "history" channel. Anyone see a continuity issue?
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The bible is now on the "history" channel. Anyone see a continuity issue?
I had a few laughs when I saw the commercial.

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http://seattlebikeblog.com/2013/03/0...ould-be-taxed/

Sometimes my state's politicians.....

Facepalm doesn't even begin to explain it.
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doesn't make me faceplam, it follows the rule of gov't:

if it moves, tax it.
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doesn't make me faceplam, it follows the rule of gov't:

if it moves, tax it.
Bicycling is more polluting than driving, Brainy? Seriously, there are massive choice quotes in there.
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oh i agree.

the real reason they want to tax them is because they want to recover the revenue lost from these citizens not driving cars and paying for gax taxes and alike.

whens the last time a politician ever made a justification that was logical? obviously they arent going to go out and say, hey, you need to pay more taxes so i can eat better, **** you.

it's legtimate rape.
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