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Old 11-09-2015, 09:27 AM   #5481
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It's one thing to learn and understand the concepts behind the math.

it's another thing to get the question wrong if you answer: 5x3=?

5+5+5=15 instead of 3+3+3+3+3+3=15

or if you answer: 4x6=?

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A liberal such you yourself should realize that just because someone has been charged with murder doesn't mean that they're guilty of murder.

Or would you prefer to eliminate the court system and just hand all judicial power to the police?
Maybe I was suggesting that Chicago is so ahead of the rest of the country that their citizens understand that people are innocent until proven guilty and that we shouldn't penalize him from being a councilmen, just because the state is persuing a murder charge against him.

Or, like in DC, they just simply don't care if they criminals or not.



As a liberal, I think we should ban jail and prisions and establish time-out corners and dunce hats.
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^Then dunce hats will be trendy in certain circles like prison uniforms and sagging pants.
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lol at U of Missouri student racist hunger-strike demands.
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lol at U of Missouri student racist hunger-strike demands.
Is that what they're doing?

All I saw was the part where they flatly denied that a journalist was protected by the first amendment when taking pictures of people gathered in a public space as they were physically assaulting him.
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I feel like there is a lot of this going on.

Maybe it's just me.
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Old 11-10-2015, 07:44 PM   #5487
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I don't have the ability to know precisely how much something weighs by picking it up, but I sort of approximately know what the limits are of what I can and can't lift by myself.

So let's say that something is being delivered to my studio, and I've been told that it weighs 50 lbs. I need to determine what (if anything) I will need in order to bring it inside and mount it.

50 lbs is a lot more than a cat, but a lot less than a Miata. It's about the same as a sack of concrete mix. I can lift a sack of concrete mix. So I can probably pick this thing up, but I'm going to want a dolly if I have to carry it a great distance. And if I have to mount it up high, I won't need a crane, but I'll probably need a second person.


That's the kind of stuff that Fermi Estimation is good for. Math for Real Life™.
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Liberal logic: Conducts massive public demonstration to attract attention of the press. Denies access to the press.

Liberal logic: Espouses freedom of speech. Denies freedom of speech with which they disagree.

Liberal logic: Supports individual's right of freedom of assembly. Denies free assembly to individuals.


I guess some animals really are more equal.
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Liberal logic: Espouses freedom of speech. Denies freedom of speech with which they disagree.
There's an old saying to the effect that "your rights end where mine begin."

From what I can tell, it's a misquotation of Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., who said "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins" in 1935, though there's some evidence that he was paraphrasing from a much earlier speech given in the late 1800s by famed prohibitionist John B. Finch.


Regardless, it makes an excellent point. Whenever you have two or more people in the same society, there arise challenges with regard to balancing the liberty of one vs. the security of the other. We acknowledge this all the time, in forms such that while I may have the right to fire a gun, I do not generally have the right to fire a gun at another person. Or in the middle of the street. Or within city limits. Or with a suppressor attached. (etc...)



Certain SJW-type liberals seem to wish to take the argument a step further.

"Your rights end where my feelings begin."

I'm afraid that's not an idea I can really get behind. I know that it started out as a meme / joke, but certain sects seem to have actually appropriated it as a core dogma.




Lots of "free" countries have various content restrictions on speech. No hate speech, no speech which incites riot, no denying the holocaust or espousing Nazism, and so on. Here in the US, we're apparently on the road to prohibiting speech that makes people upset or uncomfortable. Which is only a problem if you don't like The Magic Garden.

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Here in the US, we're apparently on the road to prohibiting speech that makes people upset or uncomfortable.
It is a frightening trend. Taken to extremes it risks our society. At this point it merely de facto strips us of several of our inalienable rights. Not a healthy trend.

The foolish bullying rules are right in the middle of this, too. You don't have a right to be unoffended.
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I mean, putting cotton ***** on the ground is a crime.

(Well, technically it's two crimes, of which littering is the lesser.)


Two arrested in cotton ball incident
Chancellor gives men temporary MU suspension.

By Janese Heavin
Wednesday, March 3, 2010 at 8:33 am
Updated: 5:38 pm, Tue Jan 22, 2013.


University of Missouri police yesterday arrested two white male students suspected of dropping cotton ***** in front of the Gaines/Oldham Black Culture Center on campus.

Zachary Tucker, 21, and Sean Fitzgerald, 19, were arrested about 7:30 p.m., each on suspicion of one count of tampering in the second degree, a Class D felony enhanced because of the hate crime classification. They each posted $4,500 bond and were released from the Boone County Jail, with a date to return to court set for March 29.

Tucker is listed as a senior psychology major in an MU directory and is from St. Louis. Fitzgerald is a freshman political science major from Kearney and is listed as an NROTC midshipman.

Chancellor Brady Deaton has temporarily suspended the students, saying he “determined it is in the best interest of the university community.” Further action will depend on the outcome of a formal student conduct process.

MU police were called to the black culture center Friday morning after students and staff awoke to find cotton ***** strewn across the lawn. The racist act, an overt reminder of slavery, came on one of the last days of Black History Month.

Police said they received an anonymous tip that led to the arrest but did not provide additional details. Capt. Brian Weimer would not confirm whether nearby video surveillance images were used in the arrest, saying he did not want to jeopardize the case.

Nathan Stephens, director of the black culture center, said he was pleased to hear about the arrests.

“I am excited that justice has prevailed,” he said. “I’m saddened for these students, but I’m also hopeful we can now continue to galvanize and make this university into what we want it to be — we being all faculty, all staff and all students.”

Asked what punishment the students should face at MU if responsible for the incident, Stephens suggested expulsion.

“I don’t think they have a place here,” he said. “I just think there has to be no tolerance at all for that kind of thing, regardless of whether it’s a crime against race, religion or sexual orientation. I would feel the same if Muslim students were harassed or members of LGBTQ community or if a woman was sexually assaulted. There’s no room for those types of behave at an institution like this.”

Attempts to reach Tucker and Fitzgerald this morning were unsuccessful.

A provision in the university’s student conduct book allows chancellors to temporarily suspend students “in order to protect the physical safety of students, faculty, staff and visitors.”

In this case, “we’re concerned about the safety of the entire university campus,” MU spokeswoman Mary Jo Banken said.

The cotton-ball display sparked a two-hour town hall forum Monday night that attracted more than 300 people.





Two arrested in cotton ball incident - Columbia Daily Tribune | Columbia Missouri: Crime
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The dude in the interview actually compared it to sexual assault.
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The dude in the interview actually compared it to sexual assault.
The dilution of the word "rape" is a whole different matter, though it falls under the same general umbrella.


I keep getting stuck on something rather more fundamental than first amendment rights or the definition of "hate crime," and that's the following:

These kids decided to erect a tent city in the middle of a large public space on the campus of a major university, and didn't expect media coverage?! The last time someone did that (#Occupy), generating media coverage was the whole point!


If I'm interpreting this correctly, then either their brains don't operate properly, or they have a really distorted view of how, well... everything works.
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Is that what they're doing?

All I saw was the part where they flatly denied that a journalist was protected by the first amendment when taking pictures of people gathered in a public space as they were physically assaulting him.
just racists, move along.

Here's the list of demands from Mizzou's protesting athletes, students

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1. We demand that University of Missouri System President, Tim Wolfe, writes a hand-written apology to Concerned Student 1-9-5-0 demonstrators and holds a press conference in the Mizzou Student Center reading the letter. In the letter and at the press conference, Tim Wolfe must acknowledge his white privilege, recognize that systems of oppression exits, and provide a verbal commitment to fulfilling Concerned Student 1-9-5-0 demands. We want Tim Wolfe to admits his gross negligence, allowing his driver to hit one of the demonstrators, consenting to the physical violence of bystanders, and lastly refusing to intervene when Columbia Police Department used excessive force with demonstrators.

2. We demand the immediate removal of Tim Wolfe as UM system president. After his removal, a new amendment to thd UM system policies must be established to have all future UM system president and Chancellor positions be selected by a collective of students, staff, and faculty of diverse backgrounds.

3. We demand that the University of Missouri meets the Legion of Black Collegians’ demands that were presented in the 1969 for the betterment of the black community.

4. We demand that the University of Missouri creates and enforces comprehensive racial awareness and inclusion curriculum throughout all campus departments and units, mandatory for all students, faculty, staff and administration. This curriculum must be vetted, maintained, and overseen by a board comprised of students, staff and faculty of color.

5. We demand that by the academic year 2017-18, the University of Missouri increases the percentage of black faculty and staff members campus-wide by 10 percent.

6. We demand that the University of Missouri composes a strategic 10-year plan on May, 1 2016 that will increase retention rates for marginalized students, sustain diversity curriculum and training, and promote a more safe and inclusive campus.

7. We demand that the University of Missouri increases funding and resources for the University of Missouri Counseling Center for the purpose of hiring additional mental health professionals, particularly those of color, boosting mental health outreach and programming across campus, increasing campus-wide awareness and visibility of the counseling center, and reducing lengthy wait times for prospective clients.

8. We demand that the University of Missouri increases funding, resources and personnel for the social justice centers on campus for the purpose of hiring additional professionals, particularly those of color, boosting outreach and programming across campus and increasing campus-wide awareness and visibility.
I can sum all the demands up into one:

1. kill whitey.


The "kid" doing the hunger strike:

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Johnathan Butler is a member of a prominent Omaha family. The newspaper says Butler’s father is Eric L. Butler, executive vice president for sales and marketing for the Union Pacific Railroad. His 2014 compensation was $8.4 million, according to regulatory filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
spoiled rich white kid.

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That’s right. The student in the middle of all this Mizzou hype? He’s just another overprivileged college student living off of daddy’s millions.

In other words, he’s your typical modern liberal activist.

Allow us to re-cap the timeline for those who haven’t been following or are confused about WTF is going on with this school.
  • Kid complains about racial slurs. Goes on hunger strike.
  • Students claim to be victims of “systemic” racism on campus. Zero photos, video or any proof provided.
  • Students claim to find a “poop swastika” on campus. No photos, video or any proof provided.
  • No proof ever provided for “systemic” problem, so the “system president” Tim Wolfe doesn’t really do much.
  • Students get so angry and start protesting that Tim Wolfe resigns. To this day, nobody knows what he did wrong. No really, even MSNBC said “… huh?” (watch the video of a confused MSNBC here).
  • Students form another protest. They lock arms to lock out the press, physically assaulting a student reporter simply trying to document the whole ordeal (see the unbelievable video on said altercation here).
  • That night, SJW students claim there is gunfire on campus, and an official rally from the KKK. No photos, video or any proof provided.
  • All of the claims from last night are proven to be verifiably false.
  • Now we find out the “original” hunger-strike protestor is actually part of a multi-millionaire family.
You cannot make this crap up. But if you’re wondering what to do with your crap, maybe make a winking smily face.
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It is a frightening trend. Taken to extremes it risks our society. At this point it merely de facto strips us of several of our inalienable rights. Not a healthy trend.

The foolish bullying rules are right in the middle of this, too. You don't have a right to be unoffended.



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It is a frightening trend. Taken to extremes it risks our society. At this point it merely de facto strips us of several of our inalienable rights. Not a healthy trend.
So, it's interesting that this happened to come across the wire just now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ood-protester/

I'll give you the Cliff's Notes:

In Maine, it's illegal for a person to:
After having been ordered by a law enforcement officer to cease such noise, intentionally making
noise that can be heard within a building and with the further intent either:
(1) To jeopardize the health of persons receiving health services within the building; or
(2) To interfere with the safe and effective delivery of those services within the building.

(MRS §4684-B-2
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To that end, the Maine state attorney general has decided that an anti-abortion protester named Brian Ingalls does not have the constitutionally-protected right to protest against abortion outside a Planned Parenthood office. She (the AG) believes this so strongly that she's filed a civil rights lawsuit against Ingalls in an attempt to shut him up.


Free speech is only protected so long as the attorney general doesn't dislike what you're saying.
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RE: student demands
Or what? They'll stop playing school sports?

I laugh heartily at the colleges reaping what they've sown all these years. So, you want to be leaders in promoting liberal thought to our society's children? Have fun sleeping in that bed you've made.

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Sounds like the AG is looking to prevent more than just disturbing the peace. I hope she gets smacked by the judge.
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So, it's interesting that this happened to come across the wire just now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ood-protester/

I'll give you the Cliff's Notes:

In Maine, it's illegal for a person to:
After having been ordered by a law enforcement officer to cease such noise, intentionally making
noise that can be heard within a building and with the further intent either:
(1) To jeopardize the health of persons receiving health services within the building; or
(2) To interfere with the safe and effective delivery of those services within the building.

(MRS §4684-B-2
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To that end, the Maine state attorney general has decided that an anti-abortion protester named Brian Ingalls does not have the constitutionally-protected right to protest against abortion outside a Planned Parenthood office. She (the AG) believes this so strongly that she's filed a civil rights lawsuit against Ingalls in an attempt to shut him up.


Free speech is only protected so long as the attorney general doesn't dislike what you're saying.
On the face of it I'd agree it does seem to be a frivolous suit. However you know a state Attorney General is usually bound first by state law and, as a general rule, doesn't have the authority to just decide on it's own the validity of a state law. Otherwise, why have courts...

And so, in this case someone broke a law which she is bound to uphold. Maybe, at the end of the day this is exactly the sort of challenge the Maine AG wanted to bring before the courts to actually rule on the law. I mean after all, it is a law passed by the state legislature not her. Blame them.

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AG's decide what cases to pursue out of personal or political interest. She is a Democrat and probably has political points to gain by prosecuting right wing activists. It is a shame the rights of all may suffer for a singular person's political gain, but that is SOP for many politicians during their careers.
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