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Old 09-28-2016, 02:48 PM   #6781
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I guess the Clinton campaign didnt fully vet the former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, as she is involved in ****. She also had a child from the drug lord of Los Negros. They are using her to further degrade Trump's questionable treatment of women.
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But she has the temperament to be commander in chief.

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Old 09-28-2016, 04:18 PM   #6783
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So hillary made a misake with the emails.. thats all it was a mistake. If i get stopped for speeding i'll tell the officer i thought the speed limit was 50 or whatever over i'm at.. when he corrects me i'll say oh i just made a mistake thats all i should be innocent seeing that it was just a mistake. It worked for hillary so its fine right?
If you have enough money to throw at it or political influence to pull you can get out of either or both. That is the actual lesson to be learned. See also: Kennedy (pick any one).
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Old 09-28-2016, 04:31 PM   #6784
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If you have enough money to throw at it or political influence to pull you can get out of either or both. That is the actual lesson to be learned. See also: Kennedy (pick any one).


I kid I kid!

I also agree with your point.
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:20 PM   #6785
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Here you go, Scott:


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thank you.
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Obama gets it:





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Old 09-29-2016, 09:15 AM   #6788
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... if you vote for Trump, that's a vote for Trump.

If you vote for Odin, that's a vote for Trump.

If you vote for doge, that's a vote for Trump.

Seems to imply that Trump is an inevitability, which is annoying.
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The only two candidates that have a chance to win are: Trump and Hillary.

He wants Hillary to win. So if you're not voting for her, then you're voting against her. It's pretty simple logic here.

I say the same thing, but I don't want Hillary to win, so therefore, any vote that's not for Trump is a vote for Hillary [Including not voting]. IMO, it's Hillary's election to lose.



and IMHO Gary Johnson is less of a libertarian than Ron or Rand. And same for his VP pick.

If you vote for him, you're still voting for "the lesser of two evils", but you're now actively throwing away your vote because youre not voting for someone with a legitimate chance of winning, so you vote carries no power and has no affect on the next 4 years of governance.

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No it's not. How does voting for Gary enhance individual liberty?

and honestly, is he really that different? Have you actually looked at his policy over someone like Ron Paul (WHO ACTUALLY ADVANCED THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY?!?!)




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Old 09-29-2016, 09:49 AM   #6790
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I love how Donald Trump only sides with himself on policy 95% of the time.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:58 AM   #6791
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I love how Donald Trump only sides with himself on policy 95% of the time.
Isn't the point of debates/statements is to lie until your elected, then do whatever you want for 4 years without any recourse? History has certainly proven this.
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I'm surprised you guys think it matters who is president anyway.
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I'm surprised you guys think it matters who is president anyway.
It does...
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so you vote carries no power and has no affect on the next 4 years of governance.
* effect.
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I'm surprised you guys think it matters who is president anyway.
It does matter who is president.

It also matters who sits in congress, who sits on the bench, who the secretary of agriculture is, etc.
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The only two candidates that have a chance to win are: Trump and Hillary.

He wants Hillary to win. So if you're not voting for her, then you're voting against her. It's pretty simple logic here.

I say the same thing, but I don't want Hillary to win, so therefore, any vote that's not for Trump is a vote for Hillary [Including not voting]. IMO, it's Hillary's election to lose.
It really depends on what state the person is in as well. Due to the winner takes all electoral college your presidential vote really doesn't matter in the majority of states.

I always laughed at people that used hyperbolic language like that in Illinois like Hillary isn't going to win the state by 10%+
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* effect.

are you sure there buddy? im using the verb.
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It really depends on what state the person is in as well. Due to the winner takes all electoral college your presidential vote really doesn't matter in the majority of states.

I always laughed at people that used hyperbolic language like that in Illinois like Hillary isn't going to win the state by 10%+
there's a house of rep. for a reason.
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It does matter who is president.

It also matters who sits in congress, who sits on the bench, who the secretary of agriculture is, etc.
My point is that Congress is FAR more important than the President.

You don't even NEED the President to create new laws if you have a 2/3rds majority in each house to override his veto.
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My point is that Congress is FAR more important than the President.

You don't even NEED the President to create new laws if you have a 2/3rds majority in each house to override his veto.
That's a pretty simple view of a pretty complicated legislative process. But, I would say the Congress is equally important yet gets far less attention from the voter than the Presidential election.
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