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Old 01-08-2012, 02:14 PM   #901
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wait...does he follow Sharia?
Thats all in the Bible bra.
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Old 01-08-2012, 02:18 PM   #902
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there's a lot of ---- in the bible that people don't practice...

there's a lot of ---- in the koran? that people do follow...

do mormons even follow the bible? dont they have some golden book full of stories written by l rob hubbard they believe in?
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I don't know if they follow the bible or not, I don't think so, the have the Book of Mormon.

But if somebody follows a religion, does it makes sense to only follow the bits and pieces that you like?
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Old 01-08-2012, 02:50 PM   #904
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of course!
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Honestly, Mormon beliefs make the 6,000-year-old Creationism beliefs look sane.

I ---- you not that a Mormon belief is Jesus was in America.

I am completely serious. The Mormons believe Jesus was in America. I am not trolling.
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Old 01-08-2012, 04:52 PM   #906
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I don't know if they follow the bible or not, I don't think so, the have the Book of Mormon?
mormons consider themselves to be christians
they believe in the bible and the book of mormon
at least they believe that they believe that lol

iirc mormonism was started by a Joseph Smith. I think it was when he was a young teen. He was praying about which local church to join. Then god told him none of them cause they were all wrong. Then an angel appeared to him and gave him or showed him where it was burried, some text that makes up the book of mormon.



in case u didn't see the debate in new hampshire watch the first minute of this to see the reason behind the image i just posted
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:31 PM   #907
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"I think you'll find that I've been as consistent as human beings can be." -Romney
is he saying that Ron Paul is not a human being?


new smear campaign against Romney
dont vote for him, he doesnt even recognize that Ron Paul is a human being
i came up with that one all by myself


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wtf@video, that's a "smear" campaign? Using video of Romney isn't a ------- smear campaign.
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:59 PM   #909
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no im not saying that video was the definition of a smear campaign

geez i was just goofin around, being sarcastic, hence all the emoticon thingys or whatever.


i basically saying something like
lets START a smear campaign based on Romney not recognizing RP (and anyone else more consistent than him for that matter) as a human being
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:08 PM   #910
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In abortion, the "victim" is known by only a single person (the mother) - the mother is also the decision maker in the abortion, and she is causing pain and suffering to no other person by executing an abortion. She is allowed to weigh her own economic situation and determine what is best for her, without negatively affecting any other persons.
WOW
While you did say a bunch of screwed up stuff this is the one thing I feel the need to call you out on. What about the rest of the family? Father? Siblings? Grandparents?
You don't think a grandmother ever cried over an aborted grandfetus? (im not using the word grandchild cuz one of you will call me out and say that i am wrong saying it is a child )

I know one thing for sure. If I ever got a girl preggo and she went and got an abortion, I would never talk to the bitch again.
Abortion can be really a lame *** cop out. For real, I strongly feel that the mother shouldn't be allowed to without my concent. If she never wants to see the kid, not pay support, whatever thats fine, I wouldn't want my kid around a "mother" who doesn't want the kid around period.

disclaimer: I am not making a stance on abortion as a whole ok so im not trying to get into this whole chicken egg ****.
mainly what i am saying is that is pretty effed up for the woman to be allowed to force an abortion on my child yet if i were to say i wanted an abortion that i couldn't force it on her.

so fooger what if she wanted an abortion and i didn't. can she pay me the full cost of an abortion so that she can skip out on her kid?

edit: not to mention you contradicted yourself with all that 4th trimester talk. clearly after the child is born there are more people than just the mother that know the child

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If we make it legal for you to decide that the girl you knocked up is not allowed to have an abortion, than we are allowing you to exercise control over the body of a woman. If you figure out how to carry the child yourself, then you may make this decision. For accounting purposes, consider that the average cost of a surrogacy in the U.S. is about $70,000, which includes the cost of a woman who *desires* to be a surrogate. For the mother of your child, who does not desire to carry your baby, you should expect the total cost of your baby to be in the realm of $100,000, to include enough financial incentive for the mother to carry by choice. Now, because this is your child, and you are deobligating her from it, you will be paying all medical costs involved, which is roughly included in this $100,000.

My recommendation: if you want a child, go find a woman who wants to mother it. If you knock a girl up and she has an abortion against your will, it's your fault for not knowing what she would do in the first place. I'm in the opposite situation - if I'm dating a girl on birth control, I still won't ---- her without a condom unless she has consented to abortion. Birth control is her protection - a condom is mine - and I know girls who have "forgotten" to take their birth control IOT get pregnant before.

I would argue that within three months of birth, the parents are still able to make the best decision with regards to the life of the child, without measurable negative effects on other people. Yes, grandparents are going to feel sorrow, but the parent's decision to abort will take that loss into account. At three months old, no person is dependent upon that child for anything.
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My recommendation....
dude im speaking hypothetically
i am not describing how i intend on having a child
im talking about non-intentional pregnancies

me pay her so that she can pay the consequences for her actions?
dude you're out of your mind
she should have thought of that before she let me stick my ***** inside her

you say it is my fault for not knowing that she would get an abortion?
i say she should understand that sex can lead to pregnancy and that contraceptives aren't 100%
there are consequences to life's actions ya know

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Yes, grandparents are going to feel sorrow...
so are saying you no longer stand by what you said earlier about abortion only hurting the mother?

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..than we are allowing you to exercise control over the body of a woman...
no sir that is not what i am are talking about
what i am are talking about is the un-born child inside of her that is half mine and that she should not get 100% of the vote to destroy against my will
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I would argue that within three months of birth, the parents are still able to make the best decision with regards to the life of the child, without measurable negative effects on other people. Yes, grandparents are going to feel sorrow, but the parent's decision to abort will take that loss into account. At three months old, no person is dependent upon that child for anything.
and for what reasons after the child is born would it be justified?
1. economical? yeah thats murder, and a lame excuse to run away from the consequences of your actions
2. Illness or birth defect? yeah thats euthenasia

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B*TCH FIGHT
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full...-about-mormons

^all about Mormons
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Did Jared just ------- Godwin us?
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and for what reasons after the child is born would it be justified?
1. economical? yeah thats murder, and a lame excuse to run away from the consequences of your actions
2. Illness or birth defect? yeah thats euthenasia

I understand and respect your opinions, please understand and respect the opinions of the non-sarcastically hypothetical "woman that you knocked up".

You should understand that the consequences of failed contraception is that she has full authority over her own body. If you put your weewee inside of her, you are consenting to her opinion. If you don't like the fact that she might be willing to have an abortion, then you need to talk to her before putting your peepee inside of her, and find out what her opinions actually are. If she is willing to have an abortion, and you are not, then there is a strong difference of opinion there, and in the end, it's her body that must bear the burden of an unborn child (as well as the burden of physiological change which comes with having born a child)

My understandably objectionable opinions allow each parent to exercise control over only their *own* lives.

The current status quo (laws) allow the woman to exercise control over the man's life, by bearing a child that he would otherwise not consent to having, your proposition suggests that the man should be allowed to exercise control over the woman's life as well, by forcing her to bear a child which she would not otherwise consent to having.

Nearly every person understands that "conception" is one of the risks of *protected and unprotected* sex. Not every person is of the opinion that a "child" is one of the risks of conception. I will allow you to have your opinion so long as you do not exercise control over my life, in return, I expect you to allow me to have my opinion, and I will gladly not exercise control over yours.

Murder? I argue opinion. Define "murder".
I'll help, here's the wikipedia entry:
Murder is the unlawful (If it were legal, this would already make it "not murder") killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). As the loss of a human being inflicts enormous grief upon the individuals close to the victim, as well as the fact that the commission of a murder is highly detrimental to the good order within society, most societies both present and in antiquity have considered it a most serious crime worthy of the harshest of punishment. In most countries, a person convicted of murder is typically given a long prison sentence, possibly a life sentence where permitted, and in some countries, the death penalty may be imposed for such an act though this practice is becoming less common.[1] In most countries, there is no statute of limitations for murder (no time limit for prosecuting someone for murder). A person who commits murder is called a murderer .[2]

What is wrong with euthanasia?
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in case u didn't see the debate in new hampshire watch the first minute of this to see the reason behind the image i just posted

I was watching this, and I couldn't believe they asked this question; It was a joke.
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What is wrong with euthanasia?
do you want to be?
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I was watching this, and I couldn't believe they asked this question; It was a joke.
Same here. I was getting pissed off that snufalufagus wouldn't get off that topic.

Out of ALL the important issues at hand, of course abortion and gay rights are close to the top of the list.

After watching that debate, this is how I feel. Note, I did feel quite a bit different before the debate.

Huntsman- Do not want
Perry- Do not want
Santorum- Do not want

Now, out of the remaining 3, this is what I believe.

Ron Paul- Strong beliefs and slightly "wacky" ideas, probably too strong and wacky to win.
Newt Gingrich- Probably the best candidate in terms of "fixing the economy", although too boring to win.
Mitt Romney- Probably going to win.

I was really hoping that Gary Johnson would've had a chance, but I think he's too much of a nobody.
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