Hardtop Spec Miata brackets confusion
#1
Hardtop Spec Miata brackets confusion
Ok so...
The hardtop i've acquired came with a set of Rennenmetal Spec Miata brackets. The side brackets were in use, the fronts were just using stock latches. This was on an NB, the car was gutted rear of the seats.
I have the hardtop on the NA right now, but don't have side latches or brackets of any kind at the moment installed. Reason: The side brackets aren't really lining up well at all. I saw on Rennenmetal's site that the brackets "don't work" with the plastics, but i've cut them up pretty good and there's no way that i can see that they should be causing the brackets to sit 1/2" AWAY from the hardtop.
Also saw on their product description that if you use the front brackets, you'll probably get excessive wind noise and maybe water leaks, because the brackets can't replicate the clamping forces of the factory latches? Is this accurate?
So basically... what do? Ideally, i'd like to use all the brackets and not use latches. Car no longer has a soft top. If this is going to be a pain in the dick or never really seat right, then i'd like to go all factory latches. I believe i have all the latches/strikers themselves, but is there different plastics in the area of the side latches for this sort of thing?
And if i use the factory side latches, am i even going to be able to fit the roll bar?
So many questions. So confuse.
The hardtop i've acquired came with a set of Rennenmetal Spec Miata brackets. The side brackets were in use, the fronts were just using stock latches. This was on an NB, the car was gutted rear of the seats.
I have the hardtop on the NA right now, but don't have side latches or brackets of any kind at the moment installed. Reason: The side brackets aren't really lining up well at all. I saw on Rennenmetal's site that the brackets "don't work" with the plastics, but i've cut them up pretty good and there's no way that i can see that they should be causing the brackets to sit 1/2" AWAY from the hardtop.
Also saw on their product description that if you use the front brackets, you'll probably get excessive wind noise and maybe water leaks, because the brackets can't replicate the clamping forces of the factory latches? Is this accurate?
So basically... what do? Ideally, i'd like to use all the brackets and not use latches. Car no longer has a soft top. If this is going to be a pain in the dick or never really seat right, then i'd like to go all factory latches. I believe i have all the latches/strikers themselves, but is there different plastics in the area of the side latches for this sort of thing?
And if i use the factory side latches, am i even going to be able to fit the roll bar?
So many questions. So confuse.
#2
Ok so...
The hardtop i've acquired came with a set of Rennenmetal Spec Miata brackets. The side brackets were in use, the fronts were just using stock latches. This was on an NB, the car was gutted rear of the seats.
I have the hardtop on the NA right now, but don't have side latches or brackets of any kind at the moment installed. Reason: The side brackets aren't really lining up well at all. I saw on Rennenmetal's site that the brackets "don't work" with the plastics, but i've cut them up pretty good and there's no way that i can see that they should be causing the brackets to sit 1/2" AWAY from the hardtop.
Also saw on their product description that if you use the front brackets, you'll probably get excessive wind noise and maybe water leaks, because the brackets can't replicate the clamping forces of the factory latches? Is this accurate?
So basically... what do? Ideally, i'd like to use all the brackets and not use latches. Car no longer has a soft top. If this is going to be a pain in the dick or never really seat right, then i'd like to go all factory latches. I believe i have all the latches/strikers themselves, but is there different plastics in the area of the side latches for this sort of thing?
And if i use the factory side latches, am i even going to be able to fit the roll bar?
So many questions. So confuse.
The hardtop i've acquired came with a set of Rennenmetal Spec Miata brackets. The side brackets were in use, the fronts were just using stock latches. This was on an NB, the car was gutted rear of the seats.
I have the hardtop on the NA right now, but don't have side latches or brackets of any kind at the moment installed. Reason: The side brackets aren't really lining up well at all. I saw on Rennenmetal's site that the brackets "don't work" with the plastics, but i've cut them up pretty good and there's no way that i can see that they should be causing the brackets to sit 1/2" AWAY from the hardtop.
Also saw on their product description that if you use the front brackets, you'll probably get excessive wind noise and maybe water leaks, because the brackets can't replicate the clamping forces of the factory latches? Is this accurate?
So basically... what do? Ideally, i'd like to use all the brackets and not use latches. Car no longer has a soft top. If this is going to be a pain in the dick or never really seat right, then i'd like to go all factory latches. I believe i have all the latches/strikers themselves, but is there different plastics in the area of the side latches for this sort of thing?
And if i use the factory side latches, am i even going to be able to fit the roll bar?
So many questions. So confuse.
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I'm using the Rennenmetal brackets without issue on a stock HT with rollbar. Double check the PO doesn't have left and right side swapped or either flipped over. Either way can be troublesome.
No leaks here. Just have someone pushing forward on the top when doing the fronts and then pushing downward on it when doing each side.
No leaks here. Just have someone pushing forward on the top when doing the fronts and then pushing downward on it when doing each side.
#4
The clamping force needs to be replicated. I had a buddy literally lay on the hardtop while I attached the side brackets. This compressed the rear/bottom seal downward. Then I had him push the top forward while I tightened the front brackets. I still have way more wind noise than with the stock latches, but no leaks. Nearly a three person job to get the top compressed forward and downward at the same time while someone sits inside and tightens everything.
Edit: Sixshooter beat me to it^
Edit: Sixshooter beat me to it^
#5
Don't know about the side brackets. Could the HT be splayed out at the bottom. 1/2" seems like a lot. Maybe they're on backwards? Is there gas in the car?
To make the front brackets fit I needed to put a shim between the bracket and the windshield frame. I used alum bar stock (1/4" thick IIRC) with two holes drilled in the right place. Not only did that make the top fit tightly but it obviated the need to cut any plastic.
To make the front brackets fit I needed to put a shim between the bracket and the windshield frame. I used alum bar stock (1/4" thick IIRC) with two holes drilled in the right place. Not only did that make the top fit tightly but it obviated the need to cut any plastic.
#6
I'm using the Rennenmetal brackets without issue on a stock HT with rollbar. Double check the PO doesn't have left and right side swapped or either flipped over. Either way can be troublesome.
No leaks here. Just have someone pushing forward on the top when doing the fronts and then pushing downward on it when doing each side.
No leaks here. Just have someone pushing forward on the top when doing the fronts and then pushing downward on it when doing each side.
The clamping force needs to be replicated. I had a buddy literally lay on the hardtop while I attached the side brackets. This compressed the rear/bottom seal downward. Then I had him push the top forward while I tightened the front brackets. I still have way more wind noise than with the stock latches, but no leaks. Nearly a three person job to get the top compressed forward and downward at the same time while someone sits inside and tightens everything.
Edit: Sixshooter beat me to it^
Edit: Sixshooter beat me to it^
Don't know about the side brackets. Could the HT be splayed out at the bottom. 1/2" seems like a lot. Maybe they're on backwards? Is there gas in the car?
To make the front brackets fit I needed to put a shim between the bracket and the windshield frame. I used alum bar stock (1/4" thick IIRC) with two holes drilled in the right place. Not only did that make the top fit tightly but it obviated the need to cut any plastic.
To make the front brackets fit I needed to put a shim between the bracket and the windshield frame. I used alum bar stock (1/4" thick IIRC) with two holes drilled in the right place. Not only did that make the top fit tightly but it obviated the need to cut any plastic.
#8
Hrm. I bought these and some torx hardware for security. I figured they wouldn't work with the plastics on the sides, but it's disappointing to find out that they won't seal nearly as well as stock latches. Might be selling them now.
Concealer, the factory panels (at least mine) had a template on the back for cutting the oval for the latch. I cut along the line and everything went fine, can't see the holes with the latches installed.
Concealer, the factory panels (at least mine) had a template on the back for cutting the oval for the latch. I cut along the line and everything went fine, can't see the holes with the latches installed.
#10
I just installed Rennen brackets last week - I still have (slightly trimmed) factory plastic. When I first installed the top brackets I had a horrible leak - I then shimmed the brackets (down) between the window frame with 6 flat washers and that sealed it up nicely. Drove almost 500mi last Sunday - No rattles, no leaks, it feels like a coupe.
It sounds to me like your side brackets are backwards.
I'll get some pics for you when I get home from the office.
It sounds to me like your side brackets are backwards.
I'll get some pics for you when I get home from the office.
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