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Old 01-30-2015, 05:27 PM   #621
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Don't care, still buying one.
Yup. Me too.
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Old 01-30-2015, 05:29 PM   #622
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I'd expect mid-30 MPG combined, minimum, with conservative driving. People get that with the current Mazda 3's which are lighter but also have less drivetrain drag because FWD.
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Old 01-30-2015, 06:28 PM   #623
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I'd expect mid-30 MPG combined, minimum, with conservative driving. People get that with the current Mazda 3's which are lighter but also have less drivetrain drag because FWD.
And less drag because coupe. They have the 2.slow skyactive already though so its not like comparing an mx5 with a new tech engine vs a 3 with an old tech engine.

Is it sadder than I'm more excited about seeing how the new version of the 2 is wih the skyactiv than I am the mx5?
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Old 01-30-2015, 07:14 PM   #624
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I've started to compare the 1.5 to the 94 NA.
Not that far apart in power/weight.

Wonder what the dry weight on the Global CUP car will be...
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:10 PM   #625
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Don't care, still buying one. That's 55 more HP than my current daily Miata. Probably much better gas mileage too.
155 gross hp.
The na8 was 133 gross in '96 and made roughly 110whp.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:30 PM   #626
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A lot of people (not necessarily on this site) are defending this weak-sauce engine spec with the usual "if you can't go fast with 50 hp, then 500 isn't going to help you" aphorism. I'm sure the ND, whatever the power level, will make a fantastic arrive-and-drive track day car. Undoubtedly, it will likewise acquit itself well on any random back road - until you have the need to pass someone who doesn't particularly feel like being passed.

I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.

Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
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Old 01-31-2015, 12:04 AM   #627
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A lot of people (not necessarily on this site) are defending this weak-sauce engine spec with the usual "if you can't go fast with 50 hp, then 500 isn't going to help you" aphorism. I'm sure the ND, whatever the power level, will make a fantastic arrive-and-drive track day car. Undoubtedly, it will likewise acquit itself well on any random back road - until you have the need to pass someone who doesn't particularly feel like being passed.

I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.

Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
Or you could have pulled over. But hey, it's Mazda's fault that you got stuck behind that Harley.
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Old 01-31-2015, 12:19 AM   #628
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Or you could have pulled over. But hey, it's Mazda's fault that you got stuck behind that Harley.
You're right - your solution is far superior to mine. Carry on.
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Old 01-31-2015, 01:26 AM   #629
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The average Miata buyer isn't looking for a high HP car or else they'd be buying a Mustang.

I think the 2.0 will be a decent engine for the ND.
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Old 01-31-2015, 01:28 AM   #630
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Moral of the story: Don't by a poop putter Harley.
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Old 01-31-2015, 01:35 AM   #631
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Mazda's media site has the 155/148 number in a table now. The mnet tears... they must flow...
These numbers are surprising to me. Mazda said the motor would be tuned specifically for the miata but this is showing a direct drop in from the 3 on 87 octane. Wouldn't they at least release it with the 91 octane tune from Europe that puts out a little more power or tune it for 93 octane and breach 170hp? I am confused.
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A lot of people (not necessarily on this site) are defending this weak-sauce engine spec with the usual "if you can't go fast with 50 hp, then 500 isn't going to help you" aphorism. I'm sure the ND, whatever the power level, will make a fantastic arrive-and-drive track day car. Undoubtedly, it will likewise acquit itself well on any random back road - until you have the need to pass someone who doesn't particularly feel like being passed.

I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.

Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
yes, yes, yes.
add to that dipshits on track who don't understand the concept of waving faster people past. nothing like staring at them while passing to see the disbelief on their faces. god bless boost.
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Old 01-31-2015, 03:23 AM   #633
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The average Miata buyer isn't looking for a high HP car or else they'd be buying a Mustang.

I think the 2.0 will be a decent engine for the ND.
I think you're looking at it backwards. I think many more people would consider the Miata if it offered Mustang level if acceleration. Maybe not standard, but they DO have that neat little Mazdaspeed brand....
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This is retarded and a complete waste. If that guy who got the HP right those months ago also got the price right then fuuuuuccckk Mazda. I wouldn't pay 30 grand for a base model. Did you guys see the 0-60 for the 1.5 is 8.5 seconds? That barely beats a Prius.
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Old 01-31-2015, 04:44 AM   #635
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I want to know what is different about the 2.0 in the ND from the 3. I don't know if the 7500 redline mentioned in the reviews is also for the 2.0, but with the power rating not changing, it must be a straight drop-in, with the only changes being to fit it longitudinally.
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The torque curve I've seen for the 3's SkyActive tune is falling off a cliff by 6K. I just don't see how that tune is appropriate for a Miata. It also means that a whole bunch of power should be available with some attention paid to high-RPM breathing. The low-end grunt from the SkyActive should be eye-opening compared to previous Miata engines.

BTW, I love how everyone still calls it a Miata almost 10 years after Mazda tried to kill that name. They should embrace it.
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The 2.0L in the Miata is confirmed to have a different intake, exhaust, and head.
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The 2.0L in the Miata is confirmed to have a different intake, exhaust, and head.
Which is what makes the hp/torque figures so confusing.
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This is retarded and a complete waste. If that guy who got the HP right those months ago also got the price right then fuuuuuccckk Mazda. I wouldn't pay 30 grand for a base model. Did you guys see the 0-60 for the 1.5 is 8.5 seconds? That barely beats a Prius.
If you live in the US, the 1.5 is irrelevant, it's not coming here.

I suspect the "specially tuned for the Miata" stuff applies to the 1.5, because it's ~ 20 hp up on the 1.5 used in other Mazdas, whereas the 2.0 specs are the same as the one in the Mazda3. Perhaps they spent the currently available budget on the 1.5 and will be cranking out an improved 2.0 in a subsequent year?

As for price, it hasn't really changed. It's called inflation.

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Road & Track First Drive

From the article, it sounds like the car should be spectacular. I've been reading Jack Baruth for years, and he's normally a no BS kind of writer. As a racing instructor, as well as having raced in the Skip Barber Miata series, I'd like to believe that if he says the car drives well, it does.

More power would be nice, though.
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