What to fix on my Fuel System?
07-07-2015, 06:41 PM
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Food for thought:
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07-07-2015, 07:12 PM
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If you consider 1000rpm and 12.5-13.0afr at idle "normal", then yes the 1700's should be "normal"
Pat - don't worry about single digit timing, with that much boost it's not uncommon, besides you're still figuring out this setup, had you run more you'd likely have leaned out and broke something by now
You can always feed in more timing later. Once everything else is figured out.
PS: if the injectors are configured properly, then judging by that IDC i'd agree that pump is your problem right now
Pat - don't worry about single digit timing, with that much boost it's not uncommon, besides you're still figuring out this setup, had you run more you'd likely have leaned out and broke something by now
You can always feed in more timing later. Once everything else is figured out.
PS: if the injectors are configured properly, then judging by that IDC i'd agree that pump is your problem right now
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07-07-2015, 07:47 PM
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My guess is there is a good chance you could still have a good idle at ~850RPM if the base fuel pressure is low enough since you have a referenced fuel pressure regulator. Worst case scenario you will idle at maybe 1000RPM but the behavior will still be good.
Food for thought:
NEW Injector Dynamics ID2000 injector test - YouTube
Food for thought:
NEW Injector Dynamics ID2000 injector test - YouTube
If you consider 1000rpm and 12.5-13.0afr at idle "normal", then yes the 1700's should be "normal"
Pat - don't worry about single digit timing, with that much boost it's not uncommon, besides you're still figuring out this setup, had you run more you'd likely have leaned out and broke something by now
You can always feed in more timing later. Once everything else is figured out.
PS: if the injectors are configured properly, then judging by that IDC i'd agree that pump is your problem right now
Pat - don't worry about single digit timing, with that much boost it's not uncommon, besides you're still figuring out this setup, had you run more you'd likely have leaned out and broke something by now
You can always feed in more timing later. Once everything else is figured out.
PS: if the injectors are configured properly, then judging by that IDC i'd agree that pump is your problem right now
Injectors are configured correctly as far as I know! I went from high 70's% Duty cycle all the way to mid 80's and AFRs didn't change, actually they got worse.... Clearly injectors can't get enough fuel, so it's gotta be the pump.
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07-09-2015, 05:05 PM
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Thanks for the info and vid. They do idle in that vid, but I will need to be able to idle at 14.7 for emissions. Part of my goal for this car is for it to pass emmissions so it has to be possible to idle at stoich. All the things it's going to take to make it pass emmissions is for another thread, I'll post about that when I do it.
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07-09-2015, 05:11 PM
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I want it to pass emissions all the time, pump gas or E85. To be honest I don't know if running on E85 would affect any of the emissions equipment/monitors, I simply don't know much about E85 regarding emissions.
As an update, I rewired the pump. I haven't run it to redline yet to see if it fixed it though, but just going to 7,000 the AFRs were richer than before, so it helped at least a little bit!
As an update, I rewired the pump. I haven't run it to redline yet to see if it fixed it though, but just going to 7,000 the AFRs were richer than before, so it helped at least a little bit!
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07-10-2015, 12:11 PM
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Maybe run two pumps?
I've seen a few people (non miatas) run another pump by using a hose clamp to secure both the pumps together, and run a fitting on the top of the fuel pump holder deal.
Then on the fuel rail, they welded fittings on both ends, then tapped the fuel rail in the center as the new return line.
So each end had a feed to it, and center became the return line.
I've seen a few people (non miatas) run another pump by using a hose clamp to secure both the pumps together, and run a fitting on the top of the fuel pump holder deal.
Then on the fuel rail, they welded fittings on both ends, then tapped the fuel rail in the center as the new return line.
So each end had a feed to it, and center became the return line.
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10-31-2015, 02:30 PM
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ID 2000s?
Maybe run two pumps?
I've seen a few people (non miatas) run another pump by using a hose clamp to secure both the pumps together, and run a fitting on the top of the fuel pump holder deal.
Then on the fuel rail, they welded fittings on both ends, then tapped the fuel rail in the center as the new return line.
So each end had a feed to it, and center became the return line.
I've seen a few people (non miatas) run another pump by using a hose clamp to secure both the pumps together, and run a fitting on the top of the fuel pump holder deal.
Then on the fuel rail, they welded fittings on both ends, then tapped the fuel rail in the center as the new return line.
So each end had a feed to it, and center became the return line.
I'm considering buying a set of ID 2000cc injectors for more fuel, at 22 PSI boost I'm at 88% duty cycle on the ID 1000's at 60 PSI base pressure. Is there any other injector in this size to consider? Looks like ID 2000's are stupid expensive.
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10-31-2015, 02:57 PM
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ID1300s. But they are stupider expensiver.
MS3 supports staged injection. Add some 600cc gt500 injectors?
Soviet hit 450whp on id100s. Are you sure you need more injector?
MS3 supports staged injection. Add some 600cc gt500 injectors?
Soviet hit 450whp on id100s. Are you sure you need more injector?
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10-31-2015, 03:07 PM
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Staged injection would be nice, not a terrible idea. But I don't know of an easy way to add 4 more injectors to the flat top intake manifold. I don't have a way to weld aluminum, or machine the injector bungs.
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10-31-2015, 03:08 PM
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I have a 1:1 regulator right now, and I'm at 60 PSI base. I was thinking turn it for more fuel. Is it ok to daily a car running say, 90 PSI base fuel pressure? I tested my fuel lines for leaks by running it up to 90 PSI, man the fuel pump sounded pissed off at 90 PSI.
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10-31-2015, 03:13 PM
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90psi won't make your pumps happy. Run leaner? You should be able to on e85. You should be good until like 110% DC or something. 100 isn't actually max.
Go look at Soviets dyno thread. Space age turbo soviet era car or whatever.
I think he has logs.
Go look at Soviets dyno thread. Space age turbo soviet era car or whatever.
I think he has logs.
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10-31-2015, 03:14 PM
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Nothing wrong with it. You will likely need to touch up the ve map, but if anything the id's like higher pressure supposedly it helps them atomize the mixture more efficiently
if twin wallys can't keep up with making 400whp (you're not even there yet) then there's another problem.
if twin wallys can't keep up with making 400whp (you're not even there yet) then there's another problem.
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10-31-2015, 03:21 PM
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It's the pressure that hurts. Not the flow. Twin 255s flow enough. But flow will drop as pressure increases. There is a table somewhere.
I researched this and wouldn't run above 100psi. The injectors can lock open.
ID has all this info in their website. You either need to run leaner, more duty or bigger injectors, or staged injection.
I researched this and wouldn't run above 100psi. The injectors can lock open.
ID has all this info in their website. You either need to run leaner, more duty or bigger injectors, or staged injection.
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10-31-2015, 03:25 PM
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We make 400whp on subaru's and evo's all the time on a single wally and id1000's at base.
Now, I know his thupercharger is eating lots of power up, but:
You're telling me his car requires more fuel than TWO wally's can keep up with? What am I missing here?
Once Pat is past 400 then we can discuss further options.
Now, I know his thupercharger is eating lots of power up, but:
You're telling me his car requires more fuel than TWO wally's can keep up with? What am I missing here?
Once Pat is past 400 then we can discuss further options.
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10-31-2015, 03:30 PM
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We make 400whp on subaru's and evo's all the time on a single wally and id1000's at base.
Now, I know his thupercharger is eating lots of power up, but:
You're telling me his car requires more fuel than TWO wally's can keep up with? What am I missing here?
Once Pat is past 400 then we can discuss further options.
Now, I know his thupercharger is eating lots of power up, but:
You're telling me his car requires more fuel than TWO wally's can keep up with? What am I missing here?
Once Pat is past 400 then we can discuss further options.
More injector would let him run less pressure.
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10-31-2015, 03:36 PM
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Nothing wrong with it. You will likely need to touch up the ve map, but if anything the id's like higher pressure supposedly it helps them atomize the mixture more efficiently
if twin wallys can't keep up with making 400whp (you're not even there yet) then there's another problem.
if twin wallys can't keep up with making 400whp (you're not even there yet) then there's another problem.
80 PSI: ~52 GPM
90 PSI: ~43 GPM
100 PSI: 34 GPM
110 PSI: 21 GPM
120 PSI: 12 GPM
130 PSI: Nothing
Link to pump graph:http://949racing.com/images/SuperMia...bro_255_HP.jpg
That is for 1 pump, so double that since twin pumps. Still I can't run these at 120 PSI and expect that to pump say 70 GPM, it won't happen. To get say, 80 GPM, the max pressure I can run is about 90 PSI, and that's 90 PSI total. If running 30 PSI boost for example, that puts me back at 60 PSI base....
If there is something else wrong, what could it be?
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10-31-2015, 03:37 PM
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Just bump to 70 and see. Then 80. I think even 90 it will still work and give you enough headroom for now
I suggest starting with easiest/cheapest approaches first, obviously. You can always throw spensive injectors at it later.
Is your AFR at 12 accross the board? Is your timing all solid? Let's see a virtual dyno pull and where she's at power wise. If you're sub 400 then you need to figure out what's wrong because you should easily make 400 on current fueling, at least I think so. (and is the sc really eating 100hp? I ask because in that case you're likely near the limit)
I suggest starting with easiest/cheapest approaches first, obviously. You can always throw spensive injectors at it later.
Is your AFR at 12 accross the board? Is your timing all solid? Let's see a virtual dyno pull and where she's at power wise. If you're sub 400 then you need to figure out what's wrong because you should easily make 400 on current fueling, at least I think so. (and is the sc really eating 100hp? I ask because in that case you're likely near the limit)
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