The 911 challenge thread
#201
This steel building burned fiercely for nearly 24 hours, yet did not collapse:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=th2bnG_7UyY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=th2bnG_7UyY
because another building can survive a fire doesn't mean anything to another. Did that building have an airplane with fuel (which has a much great btu/lb than the furniture that is burngin) fly into it at 400mph?
Its irrelevant. This conversation is dealing with a crappy magician, watch me pull my thumb off.. no just hid your thunmb. Look at this rabbit out of a hat, yeah the rabbit was in the had.
#206
One hot enough to sofen steel. NIST called it an "inferno" in order to claim temperatures over 1300*F were reached. However, the fact that the firemen were able to climb the stairs *to* the floors with the fires, and radio'ed in what was needed to put the fires out, proves this is not true.
#210
Here is a result of placing a 8" x 6" x 1/4" steel plate with a 100 mil thick coating inside a furnace at 1600*F. The 1/4" steel plate took 60 minutes to reach just 1000*F. Look at the last page:
http://www.contegointernational.com/ASTM119UL263.pdf
And think of your turbo manifold. They get red hot but don't droop under the weight of the turbo and the exhaust.
http://www.contegointernational.com/ASTM119UL263.pdf
And think of your turbo manifold. They get red hot but don't droop under the weight of the turbo and the exhaust.
#212
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so let me get this straight. You think the government can stage a big huge sham and kill thousands of people in the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world, in the biggest city in the US...but we can't find some chemical weapons in the sand in bumfuck nowhere, on the other side of earth where there are not cameras, internet connections, millions of people...?
#213
Hell i may even be able to find a picture.
Here they are
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#214
Not "the government". A few criminals mostly within the gov't.
Because the the WMD excuse was a lie to begin with. Do you actually believe Bush was telling you the truth when he said Saddam had WMD?
can stage a big huge sham and kill thousands of people in the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world, in the biggest city in the US...but we can't find some chemical weapons in the sand in bumfuck nowhere, on the other side of earth where there are not cameras, internet connections, millions of people...?
#215
drewbroo, how long did that stuff you point to burn? The jet fuel from the planes was consumed in a few minutes; especially in the South tower, where most of it was consumed in a fireball *outside* the building, which I showed a pic of earlier. You also ignore the fact that firemen were able to report from the floor where the biggest fires were. If the fires were hot enough to soften steel (~1300*F or so), the firemen wouldn't be able to come close. There is also a radio transmission where the firemen said most of the fire was out - that what was left was a smoldering office fire.
You keep on looking at this from the point of view that it's impossible for the explosives to be planted and the people who did it not come out and blow the whistle. Set this aside for the moment and look objectively at all the physical evidence.
You keep on looking at this from the point of view that it's impossible for the explosives to be planted and the people who did it not come out and blow the whistle. Set this aside for the moment and look objectively at all the physical evidence.
#217
drewbroo, how long did that stuff you point to burn? The jet fuel from the planes was consumed in a few minutes; especially in the South tower, where most of it was consumed in a fireball *outside* the building, which I showed a pic of earlier. You also ignore the fact that firemen were able to report from the floor where the biggest fires were. If the fires were hot enough to soften steel (~1300*F or so), the firemen wouldn't be able to come close. There is also a radio transmission where the firemen said most of the fire was out - that what was left was a smoldering office fire.
You keep on looking at this from the point of view that it's impossible for the explosives to be planted and the people who did it not come out and blow the whistle. Set this aside for the moment and look objectively at all the physical evidence.
You keep on looking at this from the point of view that it's impossible for the explosives to be planted and the people who did it not come out and blow the whistle. Set this aside for the moment and look objectively at all the physical evidence.
When the towers started to fall, the fuel was fed by the oxygen on the new floors. Back drafts are created. Superheated oxygen fed flames. Brush up on your thermodynamics, and maybe you could understand this stuff better.
Thats why its bad to open a door to a burning room. All the new air just makes it worse.
Backdrafts deplete the o2 on each floor creating vacuum, vacuum creates weakness within the structures. Makes it 10 times easier for the floors to collapse. Also did you take into consideration that the building were designed to fall that way? Seriously. Building codes for building over 100+ stories require them to have a collapsing structure. Can you imagine the amount of damage that there would be if it just fell over? Of if the structure fell all over the place.