i this corner begi, and this corner FM, and this corner ffs
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Begi seems to be staying out of that pissing match. Smart move on their part.
I happen to like FM, by the way. I just don't like spending the money they're asking. I spent what a Voodoo kit costs on my setup, but I got a radiator, a clutch, and a standalone ECU in the deal as well - and I bought 95% of my parts brand spanking new.
I happen to like FM, by the way. I just don't like spending the money they're asking. I spent what a Voodoo kit costs on my setup, but I got a radiator, a clutch, and a standalone ECU in the deal as well - and I bought 95% of my parts brand spanking new.
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There's not a doubt in my mind that these/his non intercooled 200hp+ setups with only a single extra injector have insufficeintly cooled and/or fueled the charge leading to engine death. It's amazing how stubborn Tom is when everyone with experience tells him what a bad idea it is.
SC guys know jack **** about EM. Look at how many of these guys with JRSCs blow up their motors at 140hp.
Ben
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If you think that's true, you need to re-read his posts. The PC Pro is the perfect solution for people that are buying the Coldside kits. Which is to say that his customers are not like Ben (for example) who crave more control over every aspect of EM.
One of the "mottos" of FFS is "install, turn key and drive". Even Ben will admit that a Stand Alone is anything but install and drive.
One of the "mottos" of FFS is "install, turn key and drive". Even Ben will admit that a Stand Alone is anything but install and drive.
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Also, when FM (or Keith) says stupid **** like, "Superchargers and piggybacks don't work all that well together on 2001-05 cars. It's not a combination we recommend", even Corky commented on that.
Just because THEY couldn't get a SC and a PB to work together. Gee, I wonder how FFS got a PB to work so well on the 05 that he got the CARB with it?
Then Keith says this:
"There is a difference between CARB certification and driveability, but it certainly is a nice option to have and wave around."
As if it was so ******* easy to get past CARB.
Guess what? Tom spent over $10,000 just on the CARB FEES! Then there's all the dyno testing and tuning he did. The guys at Arizona Dyno Chip where he dynos all of the FFS cars joke that their kids are going to Harvard because of Tom. That's no ******* joke.
If you were the one doing all this work and some asshat came along and said what Keith said, you'd be pissed too.
Just because THEY couldn't get a SC and a PB to work together. Gee, I wonder how FFS got a PB to work so well on the 05 that he got the CARB with it?
Then Keith says this:
"There is a difference between CARB certification and driveability, but it certainly is a nice option to have and wave around."
As if it was so ******* easy to get past CARB.
Guess what? Tom spent over $10,000 just on the CARB FEES! Then there's all the dyno testing and tuning he did. The guys at Arizona Dyno Chip where he dynos all of the FFS cars joke that their kids are going to Harvard because of Tom. That's no ******* joke.
If you were the one doing all this work and some asshat came along and said what Keith said, you'd be pissed too.
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If you think that's true, you need to re-read his posts. The PC Pro is the perfect solution for people that are buying the Coldside kits. Which is to say that his customers are not like Ben (for example) who crave more control over every aspect of EM.
One of the "mottos" of FFS is "install, turn key and drive". Even Ben will admit that a Stand Alone is anything but install and drive.
One of the "mottos" of FFS is "install, turn key and drive". Even Ben will admit that a Stand Alone is anything but install and drive.
If you think I (for example) wouldn't prefer to plug in, turn key, and drive, without any tuning or tweaking you're sooo wrong. Nobody "wants" to tune. They "have" to tune. I'm not a ******* monkey mesmorized by flashy lights and chrome buttons. I understand that I've added 150 hp to a 100 hp motor -- so there are many things to be compensated for. I'd rather have chanted a voodoo spell, sacrificed a goat, or just plugged in a magic black box.
Yes, I agree that Keith said something stupid--and it was a cheap shot. But take it in context too. He also said that there is a lot more to tuning a car to run right than the A/F ratio. He's right! Tom still has A LOT to learn about engine management and tuning. While Tom may have wanted to counter attack FM personally and publicly, it's not professional to do so. Attacking each other just makes them look like asses. I run a business... and when a competitor tries to flame me, I take the higher path with my clients. Always. I let my work, my long list of satisfied clients, my reputation speak for me. As should Tom. There's never a need to disparage others.
Shame FFS and FM didn't get along. The FFS blower kit with FM's Hdra would have been steller, and would not have been too much more costly for the customer. Who would have still received tons of support from both companies.
It's awesome that FFS got their vehicle through the CARB process. Since they don't have any competition, I'm sure they are already in the green. I'd be interested to know how many of the kits he's sold have gone to CA. IIRC, he said he's sold ~100 kits.
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