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Old 06-08-2007, 05:25 PM   #1
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I was reading that. I wonder what "other board" fm is trying to mention in some of thier other post that says negative comments about them
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No ****...... Just like school girls
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I was reading that. I wonder what "other board" fm is trying to mention in some of thier other post that says negative comments about them
I wouldn't be surprised if it were this one.
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I was reading that. I wonder what "other board" fm is trying to mention in some of thier other post that says negative comments about them
I don't think anyone here has a vendetta for FM.
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Vendetta? Probably not. They certainly do get their fair share of bashing.
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Begi seems to be staying out of that pissing match. Smart move on their part.

I happen to like FM, by the way. I just don't like spending the money they're asking. I spent what a Voodoo kit costs on my setup, but I got a radiator, a clutch, and a standalone ECU in the deal as well - and I bought 95% of my parts brand spanking new.
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I'm honoured that someone as AWESEOME as FM would mention us indirectly
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I guess that is the problem when the vendors come in and talk up their products. They will often make it sound like they have the best solution, leaving those reading the posts wondering what the truth really is.
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I like FM too they have pwnage customer service and are really nice on the phone but their prices are like dressing up in drag and going to prison for the weekend... it ******* hurts. As for that pissing match going to have to say FFS is cleaning the floor.
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Its interesting that no one has any shots for BEGi. Hopefully I made the right decision.

...my turbo **** should be here any day now.
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I guess that is the problem when the vendors come in and talk up their products. They will often make it sound like they have the best solution, leaving those reading the posts wondering what the truth really is.
what really irritates me are forums that only allow discussion on products from advertisers and not on other companies, and they'll censor negative experiences about the vendors.
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what really irritates me are forums that only allow discussion on products from advertisers and not on other companies, and they'll censor negative experiences about the vendors.

You got it! I think Tom has made some good points on that thread. It's kinda why I don't post on Mnet anymore.
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As for that pissing match going to have to say FFS is cleaning the floor.
Tom is uninformed (ignorant) and comes off like a punk taking cheap shots and ending the post with a pleasantry. "**** your mother, but enjoy your weekend!"

There's not a doubt in my mind that these/his non intercooled 200hp+ setups with only a single extra injector have insufficeintly cooled and/or fueled the charge leading to engine death. It's amazing how stubborn Tom is when everyone with experience tells him what a bad idea it is.

SC guys know jack **** about EM. Look at how many of these guys with JRSCs blow up their motors at 140hp.

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You got it! I think Tom has made some good points on that thread. It's kinda why I don't post on Mnet anymore.
they banned my account for calling various mods *********

I mean, it's true so..
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PC Pro seems to be his answer for everthing too.....
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PC Pro seems to be his answer for everthing too.....
If you think that's true, you need to re-read his posts. The PC Pro is the perfect solution for people that are buying the Coldside kits. Which is to say that his customers are not like Ben (for example) who crave more control over every aspect of EM.

One of the "mottos" of FFS is "install, turn key and drive". Even Ben will admit that a Stand Alone is anything but install and drive.
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Also, when FM (or Keith) says stupid **** like, "Superchargers and piggybacks don't work all that well together on 2001-05 cars. It's not a combination we recommend", even Corky commented on that.

Just because THEY couldn't get a SC and a PB to work together. Gee, I wonder how FFS got a PB to work so well on the 05 that he got the CARB with it?

Then Keith says this:

"There is a difference between CARB certification and driveability, but it certainly is a nice option to have and wave around."

As if it was so ******* easy to get past CARB.

Guess what? Tom spent over $10,000 just on the CARB FEES! Then there's all the dyno testing and tuning he did. The guys at Arizona Dyno Chip where he dynos all of the FFS cars joke that their kids are going to Harvard because of Tom. That's no ******* joke.

If you were the one doing all this work and some asshat came along and said what Keith said, you'd be pissed too.
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If you think that's true, you need to re-read his posts. The PC Pro is the perfect solution for people that are buying the Coldside kits. Which is to say that his customers are not like Ben (for example) who crave more control over every aspect of EM.

One of the "mottos" of FFS is "install, turn key and drive". Even Ben will admit that a Stand Alone is anything but install and drive.
Dude you still don't get it. We'll see what happens with these 1.6 kits he's got coming out. No intercooler, no timing control, no knock sensor.

If you think I (for example) wouldn't prefer to plug in, turn key, and drive, without any tuning or tweaking you're sooo wrong. Nobody "wants" to tune. They "have" to tune. I'm not a ******* monkey mesmorized by flashy lights and chrome buttons. I understand that I've added 150 hp to a 100 hp motor -- so there are many things to be compensated for. I'd rather have chanted a voodoo spell, sacrificed a goat, or just plugged in a magic black box.

Yes, I agree that Keith said something stupid--and it was a cheap shot. But take it in context too. He also said that there is a lot more to tuning a car to run right than the A/F ratio. He's right! Tom still has A LOT to learn about engine management and tuning. While Tom may have wanted to counter attack FM personally and publicly, it's not professional to do so. Attacking each other just makes them look like asses. I run a business... and when a competitor tries to flame me, I take the higher path with my clients. Always. I let my work, my long list of satisfied clients, my reputation speak for me. As should Tom. There's never a need to disparage others.

Shame FFS and FM didn't get along. The FFS blower kit with FM's Hdra would have been steller, and would not have been too much more costly for the customer. Who would have still received tons of support from both companies.


It's awesome that FFS got their vehicle through the CARB process. Since they don't have any competition, I'm sure they are already in the green. I'd be interested to know how many of the kits he's sold have gone to CA. IIRC, he said he's sold ~100 kits.

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