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Old 12-31-2012, 07:56 PM   #3161
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Those of you that think it won't happen. Just look at NY. Mag ban is still in effect. Companies will not ship to NY. Not mag, but also not knives. No stun guns. No pepper spray. You cannot get anything shipped to NY anymore.

They'll ban the mags, and then find a way to make them all illegal after they're grandfathered in.
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10 pack of Magpul's for $100. Out of stock, of course, but they are allowing backorders and are shipping them as inventory comes in. Sale ends tonight.

DSG Arms Holiday Mag Pack - 10 MAGPUL NON Window Mags w/ DSG Patch
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From the Illinois law that will be voted on very soon. (As in today or this week)
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(B) a semi-automatic rifle or pump-action rifle
3 that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and
4 has any of the following:
5 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
6 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
7 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or
8 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and
9 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
10 the non-trigger hand without being burned;
It grandfathers in individuals owning items and they can be given to heirs but they can't sell them in the state. Companies and individuals can sell them out of state. It also adds additional requirements to registering guns. This is ridiculous.

The law http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...AID=11&Session
Underlined is what talks about banning
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Just read it again. It bans any pistol or rifle with a detachable magazine. Overreaching much?
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3 (C-2) a semi-automatic rifle or a pistol with the
4 capacity to accept a detachable magazine, a muzzle
5 brake, or muzzle compensator;
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Not as much as I wanted, but I finally got a small order in today...190 rds of 5.56 and 500 rds of .22LR. It'll do for now.

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Glock 27 for conceal carry?

Haven't held a sub compact glock, but do like the way the compacts fit in my hand. years ago I was shopping and had my heart set on the Springfield XD but didn't like how it felt in my hand. Want to be sub $500
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Glock 27 for conceal carry?

Haven't held a sub compact glock, but do like the way the compacts fit in my hand. years ago I was shopping and had my heart set on the Springfield XD but didn't like how it felt in my hand. Want to be sub $500
I would really suggest holding a sub-compact. Depending on your hand size your pinkie will hang off the grip. Some people don't mind, others can't stand it. We charge $525 for those at the shop I work part-time at, just so you have an idea.
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From the Illinois law that will be voted on very soon. (As in today or this week)


It grandfathers in individuals owning items and they can be given to heirs but they can't sell them in the state. Companies and individuals can sell them out of state. It also adds additional requirements to registering guns. This is ridiculous.

The law Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1263
Underlined is what talks about banning
You know... The people that write this ******* garbage..... I really kinda wish someone would murder them in their sleep with a ******* No.2 Lead pencil. Seriously. Or maybe just a jagged plastic spork.
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You know... The people that write this ******* garbage..... I really kinda wish someone would murder them in their sleep with a ******* No.2 Lead pencil. Seriously. Or maybe just a jagged plastic spork.
Even better... since they didn't have the votes and tabled it this week... special session on SUNDAY put together by the governer to push it again.

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If the so-called "gun nuts" were as dumb and ignorant as the "anti-gun-nuts" are....


....then we wouldn't have any more "anti-gun-nuts".
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Glock 27 for conceal carry?

Haven't held a sub compact glock, but do like the way the compacts fit in my hand. years ago I was shopping and had my heart set on the Springfield XD but didn't like how it felt in my hand. Want to be sub $500
Writing in this thread over the months has allowed me the opportunity to seriously evaluate the parts of my life that revolve around firearms. I truly enjoy the discussions both here and in the current "RPG" thread.

I post enough here that some readers may have notice some trends. I've said it before that guns are not a hobby for me. Guns are simply tools. I'm a sportsman, hunter, and enthusiast, but the guns that I own aren't necessarily for "fun"... the enjoyment I get is a bonus.

For example, I own a big pipe wrench and could certainly use it for a hammer. However, it's not the best choice for hitting nails. I have several hammers of different weights and head designs that I use for different jobs and circumstances. I enjoy using the proper tool for the job... you might say that I "enjoy" hammering as long as it's an 18oz Estwing smacking away at a roofing nail. Conversely, I'd choose an 8oz ball-peen for for finishing nails, and a 3lb sledge for dealing with my kids. The good news is that if I choose the wrong hammer, death isn't a likely drawback.

The bigger issue is that carrying around 7 hammers to deal with every scenario that might come my way doesn't make sense... so I'd choose something in between that can "do it all". A lightweight drywall hammer has a head, nail puller, blade, prybar... a perfect compromise you might say.

That's the way I feel about the Glock 19.

The phrase "don't need many weapons" should ring true for everybody. I often see guys who have different guns for the night-stand, garage, truck, pants carry, shorts carry, ankle carry, blah blah blah... it makes no sense to me.

When the time comes for you to actually draw your weapon in a life-or-death scenario, your survival will come down to the simple mechanics of how you manipulate your weapon far more critically than than ballistics data... draw, safety-off, aim, fire, malfunction, rack-tap-bang, fire, miss, manuever, fire, etc... You need to be equally proficient with each type of gun you trust your life to... so why have 5 different guns. I like to say that it's simply a math problem.

The Glock 27 is a fine firearm, and the standard capacity of 9rds is "enough" as far as the odds play out for CCW. But research the history of .40cal and the reason it was developed. There's more to it than "harder hitting than a 9mm, but less recoil than a .45". The G26 only gets you 1 more round, over to you if the "improved" ballistics of a .40 is worth it.

Also, .40cal ammo is way more expensive than 9mm, which means you may practice less. And if you don't have another Glock that is a primary weapon, then it's another gun you need to learn.

A G26 with +P ammo makes more sense to me than a G27, but then again, most police departments approve/recommend the G27 as a backup or off-duty gun.

I EDC'd a Keltec PF9 for a year, a Taurus M85 for 6 months, and a have carried a G19 at 3 o'clock for about 6 months. I can definitively say that the G19 disappears on my hip as seamlessly as the other 2 guns half it's size. I've got 16rds of Remington 115gr JHP's in a gun that I am intimate with. I even sleep next to it.

My advice is to not own many guns that you trust your life to. A G27 can be a great CCW tool, and then be your primary nightstand gun with a 15/17rd mag. Or you can go with a G19 and enjoy less recoil, better sight picture, better ergonomics, and more standard ammo, with the only drawback being size and worse performance through windshields.
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*wrong thread*

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Sweet Saturdays.... started organizing my reloading closet and found another 7 wrapped pmags. Also, confirmed my early Dec $550 order on cheap ATI Omni carbine... nothing special, but still MUCH better than the freakin' outragous pricing at $1200 plus.
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Meg was looking at vacation property in New York. I said Vermont is not that far away.
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I would really suggest holding a sub-compact. Depending on your hand size your pinkie will hang off the grip. Some people don't mind, others can't stand it. We charge $525 for those at the shop I work part-time at, just so you have an idea.
I have pretty small hands so it shouldn't be too bad.

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Writing in this thread over the months has allowed me the opportunity to seriously evaluate the parts of my life that revolve around firearms. I truly enjoy the discussions both here and in the current "RPG" thread.

I post enough here that some readers may have notice some trends. I've said it before that guns are not a hobby for me. Guns are simply tools. I'm a sportsman, hunter, and enthusiast, but the guns that I own aren't necessarily for "fun"... the enjoyment I get is a bonus.

For example, I own a big pipe wrench and could certainly use it for a hammer. However, it's not the best choice for hitting nails. I have several hammers of different weights and head designs that I use for different jobs and circumstances. I enjoy using the proper tool for the job... you might say that I "enjoy" hammering as long as it's an 18oz Estwing smacking away at a roofing nail. Conversely, I'd choose an 8oz ball-peen for for finishing nails, and a 3lb sledge for dealing with my kids. The good news is that if I choose the wrong hammer, death isn't a likely drawback.

The bigger issue is that carrying around 7 hammers to deal with every scenario that might come my way doesn't make sense... so I'd choose something in between that can "do it all". A lightweight drywall hammer has a head, nail puller, blade, prybar... a perfect compromise you might say.

That's the way I feel about the Glock 19.

The phrase "don't need many weapons" should ring true for everybody. I often see guys who have different guns for the night-stand, garage, truck, pants carry, shorts carry, ankle carry, blah blah blah... it makes no sense to me.

When the time comes for you to actually draw your weapon in a life-or-death scenario, your survival will come down to the simple mechanics of how you manipulate your weapon far more critically than than ballistics data... draw, safety-off, aim, fire, malfunction, rack-tap-bang, fire, miss, manuever, fire, etc... You need to be equally proficient with each type of gun you trust your life to... so why have 5 different guns. I like to say that it's simply a math problem.

The Glock 27 is a fine firearm, and the standard capacity of 9rds is "enough" as far as the odds play out for CCW. But research the history of .40cal and the reason it was developed. There's more to it than "harder hitting than a 9mm, but less recoil than a .45". The G26 only gets you 1 more round, over to you if the "improved" ballistics of a .40 is worth it.

Also, .40cal ammo is way more expensive than 9mm, which means you may practice less. And if you don't have another Glock that is a primary weapon, then it's another gun you need to learn.

A G26 with +P ammo makes more sense to me than a G27, but then again, most police departments approve/recommend the G27 as a backup or off-duty gun.

I EDC'd a Keltec PF9 for a year, a Taurus M85 for 6 months, and a have carried a G19 at 3 o'clock for about 6 months. I can definitively say that the G19 disappears on my hip as seamlessly as the other 2 guns half it's size. I've got 16rds of Remington 115gr JHP's in a gun that I am intimate with. I even sleep next to it.

My advice is to not own many guns that you trust your life to. A G27 can be a great CCW tool, and then be your primary nightstand gun with a 15/17rd mag. Or you can go with a G19 and enjoy less recoil, better sight picture, better ergonomics, and more standard ammo, with the only drawback being size and worse performance through windshields.
I already have a S&W 6946 which is considered a compact and to me its too heavy and big to conceal carry and. I'm short at 5'7" with small hands, so a compact is big on me. I have found a G27 to shoot and will see how it feels. You make a good point about cost of shooting and practicing with .40. The g26 is another option.

I'm even tempted to go even smaller with the something like the Ruger LCP.
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I like my LCP but if you have big hands consider getting a grip, I like this one because it replaces the baseplate that holds in the spring, which the stock one on one occasion came apart on me at the range.
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Do not overlook the single-stack 9mm market. S&W Shield and Ruger LC9 are the top picks. Shields are damn scarce though. The Kahr CM9 is a sexy bitch, and the Walther PPS is so freaking sweet it makes my ***** burn, but the cost there might be prohibitive.

The slim-factor of the single-stack 9's is a huge selling point over the G26/27.

If I ever decide I have to have a smaller carry piece, it will be damned hard not to buy the LC9 with CT laser.

Stepping down to .380acp caliber should be a very well-thought-out move. Brass tax is that 9mm averages 60-70% more energy than .380acp, and more importantly, in same model ammo, penetrates at least double. 9mm is simply in another class.

While shot placement (and all that it entails) is the most critical aspect of eliminating the ability/will of an attacker to continue, the limited penetrating power of .380acp hollow-points (even modern bad-*** SD ammo) is taking a chance on not causing a determined attacker enough pain that he stops. Even medium density clothing (leather jacket and 2 shirts) can absorb enough energy to stop a .380 from being able to expand. Most "experts" will say that .380acp is NOT ENOUGH GUN during the winter.
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For what it is worth I ditched my G23 for a G27. The wife has a .40 and I like just buying one ammo size sometimes. It makes it feel the same if either has/wants to use the others gun. The G23 was to big for me to carry quietly. I'm 5ft 9in tall and a little on the soft side. In the south I have to be able to rock a Tshirt. Also have tiny hands. I like the G27, but haven't shot it yet with the move. So can't vouch for difference in feel. I can say that a small grip extension makes it feel better than the 23 and adds 2 rounds and a place for your pinky.

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I'm even tempted to go even smaller with the something like the Ruger LCP.
Depending on your carry method, I would agree with Sam's advice to not skip over the single-stack 9mm options. I own an LCP and felt it was the best compromise for all of my particulars (size, daily activities, wardrobe, etc that directed my carry method).

That said, I HATE shooting my LCP and would recommend a Crimson Trace or similar laser. I previously owned a Kahr PM9 and wish I had kept it; I occasionally consider picking up another one, a Walther PPS or something similar and re-configuring my carry procedure.

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Anyone out there have a H&K USP 45 or H&K USP 45 Compact they are trying to move? Would prefer them to be the model without the safety selector. Hit me up if you have one you would sell or know of one for sale. I can email you the appropriate FFL information for shipping. Thanks!
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