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Old 01-16-2013, 11:57 PM   #3281
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I've been happy with my carry permit and thank you Sam Navy for all the great posts. We finally got off our *** and got ours last fall after her classmate was mugged at knife point around the corner from her campus. New Mexico was open carry and I miss that part of the state. Prior to that the military gave me more guns than anyone should have access too.

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According to the guy we got our permits from the TN state carry permit firing course is changing in April. As he put it the new targets are about 1/4 the size and will be a harder course. Figured I'd toss out the info for other TN folk. I'm told it was enacted before all this scare recently and had nothing to do with current events.
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I've been happy with my carry permit and thank you Sam Navy for all the great posts. We finally got off our *** and got ours last fall after her classmate was mugged at knife point around the corner from her campus. New Mexico was open carry and I miss that part of the state. Prior to that the military gave me more guns than anyone should have access too.

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According to the guy we got our permits from the TN state carry permit firing course is changing in April. As he put it the new targets are about 1/4 the size and will be a harder course. Figured I'd toss out the info for other TN folk. I'm told it was enacted before all this scare recently and had nothing to do with current events.
In the Navy, we call stuff like that "force shaping". When we have too many people on active duty and need some people to leave, we just knock 10 seconds off the minimum time for the 1.5 mile run during our twice yearly physical testing. PRESTO, 100 people get booted for being out of shape... and so on.

At face value, making a range qualification harder is very likely designed to deny permits to people with bad eyesight due to liability. Any competent pistol instructor can coach a guy through just about any basic qualification standard... as long as the guy can see.

However, I google'd the **** out of new Tennessee rules and found nothing. I couldn't even find what the "course of fire" is except for one excerpt from a post at USAcarry.org:
In Tennessee, 33 of 48 anywhere in the black on a B27 target at varying ranges of 3,5,7,10 and 15 yards.
On to other things... I think my feelings on training and mindset are pretty straightforward... any "plan" is better than no plan, which is why I both love and hate this YT video. Note the old lady standing directly in the line of fire and covering her ears, and the skinny guy at the end who doesn't have a clue what to do but is super excited:


Citizen does a good job of aiming up until the last round as the guys are exiting the door where he "stabs" a shot or two. That last shot could easily be manipulated by a DA to convince a jury that the man was attempting to "punish" the two robbers. "The two poor gentlemen had realized their mistake and were attempting the best way they could not to hurt anybody as they ran from the crazy madman shooting at them. They weren't going to hurt anybody, this is all a misunderstanding. They were clearly running away, not firing back, almost completely out the door offering no resistance, and not only did the man keep firing, but he wasn't even aiming anymore." And that's how quickly you can spend a few years in jail if you live in an anti-town. That example of self-defense shooting is where the citizen just got it "a little" wrong, and was lucky he didn't hit a bystander.

This next guy however, just plain executed the kid, and is a clear example of why you MUST be in the proper frame of mind if you're going to carry a gun. This guy just plain lost his **** in anger and is going to spend the rest of his life in jail.
Oklahoma City pharmacist Jerome Ersland found guilty of murder in killing of suspect - Crimesider - CBS News

Things like this above is why I absolutely cringe when I hear people say stuff like "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 9"... it's basically a refusal to consider any plan other than immediately resorting to deadly force, and an excuse to shoot first and worry about consequences later. I don't understand why people think that way. If the situation requires deadly force, then it requires it... period. If it doesn't, then it doesn't. My goal is never to have to fire at all, but if I do, to have all my **** lined up so it's clearly a righteous shooting and there is no cause or reason for anybody to think otherwise. You have to train, you have to have a plan, you have to know your equipment, and you have to know the law.

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Old 01-17-2013, 12:19 PM   #3283
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Some pmags in stock here. Don't know how long they will last
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:53 PM   #3285
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Anybody waiting until now to try to buy magazines/ammo/guns must not have smelled what Barack was cooking.



It's been in the crock pot for quite a while. Or crackpot.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:13 PM   #3286
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I keep finding myself on the fence about just selling my extra PMAGs to take advantage of the absurd gunbroker.com prices.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:21 PM   #3287
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Don't do it man... while it's pretty likely that there will be nothing at the Federal level we have to worry about, there' always a chance. I'm hoping my backorder 10-pk from Brownells arrives quick.
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I picked up 10 windowed g2 pmags on cabelas today for $20/each
They're not even on the site anymore
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This next guy however, just plain executed the kid, and is a clear example of why you MUST be in the proper frame of mind if you're going to carry a gun. This guy just plain lost his **** in anger and is going to spend the rest of his life in jail.
Oklahoma City pharmacist Jerome Ersland found guilty of murder in killing of suspect - Crimesider - CBS News
If you feel like losing some brain cells today, click the "Show Comments" button.

Thank you for being sane SamNavy, and reminding me that not all gun advocates are as stupid as those commenters.

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So what; at least this piece of garbage won't commit another crime and the taxpayers won't have to pay his medical bills and his life sentence in prison.
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Sam - Your thoughts on carrying very much mirror my own. I have even looked up a few criminal defense attorneys that consider self defense shooting as an area of experience and specialty with the understanding that if it ever happens, one of the first things I am going to do is get an attorney involved.
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im pretty sure there is a debate thread... as for this one...


moar gun purchases and pic pwease!



Also, how much do you peeps think I can realistically get for my cheap-ish Smith and Wesson Gen1 Simga SW40VE .40 S&w? It has a lighter trigger spring, and polished moving parts.

I want to buy a mini-eagle .45 that I saw in the shop for $385 plus my "frequen flyer" and military discount.



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Don't do it man... while it's pretty likely that there will be nothing at the Federal level we have to worry about, there' always a chance. I'm hoping my backorder 10-pk from Brownells arrives quick.
They're not going to let it go until something happens. It's not what they want that worries me... it's the ensuing "compromise" that I'm worried about. There should NEVER be a compromise of ANY kind when it comes to Constitutional Rights.

They want better background checks? Fine.
They want waiting periods? Maybe.
They want to tax or remove my right to buy ANY firearm or firearm part which is currently legal? They can go **** themselves with a jagged piece of glass.


Oh, and not that I actually need them but +1 that my 10pack of mags from Brownells shows up soon, right along with my 300blk upper.. Not that I can find _ANY_ ammo for the black.... I digress.


Keep voting these braindead liberal loonytoons into office and we'll continue to be a country on the decline full of poverty, Government violators of Constitutional rights, and the impending civil unrest/riots/Civil War Part Deux.
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im pretty sure there is a debate thread... as for this one...


moar gun purchases and pic pwease!



Also, how much do you peeps think I can realistically get for my cheap-ish Smith and Wesson Gen1 Simga SW40VE .40 S&w? It has a lighter trigger spring, and polished moving parts.

I want to buy a mini-eagle .45 that I saw in the shop for $385 plus my "frequen flyer" and military discount.
I shot a S&W sigma 9mm and the local gun range and loved it. I'd personally go with a 9mm because of the cheaper ammo cost but thats just me.
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I forgot to mention that it has the original hardcase, manuals, and 4 14 round magazines.
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I forgot to mention that it has the original hardcase, manuals, and 4 14 round magazines.
Before all the bullshit I saw 9mm Sigma's with one magazine for around $325 IIRC...

I would say probably $425 perhaps?
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I've seen a few sizes of ammo in varying brands and configurations still in stock at sportsmansguide.com if that helps anyone.
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We're sorry, (Product: Remington® UMC® Rifle .300 AAC Blackout 115 Grain CTFB 20 rounds (WX2-224252)) is not currently in stock. It's expected in our warehouse on October 14, 2013.
Oct 14?? **** me... when you get your upper elesjuan, let me know, I'll hook you up with a box or 2 of 300blk... a rifle without ammo is not cool.
I also have dies coming, including form die, to make from 223 casings. Sitting on plenty of primers, powder, and projectiles.

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If I sell all my turbo **** I can buy a baller 1911...hmmm.
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Sam - Your thoughts on carrying very much mirror my own. I have even looked up a few criminal defense attorneys that consider self defense shooting as an area of experience and specialty with the understanding that if it ever happens, one of the first things I am going to do is get an attorney involved.
There's the famous video of the lawyer that's titled something like "Why you should never talk to the police" that I watch at least every 6 months to refresh myself on the basics.

Although I'm unable to offer firsthand experience, I'd say it's gotta be a tough call for a good guy to decide whether to keep his mouth shut and say the bare minimum to the police "at the scene" or whatever, or to tell everything and "help" them. I'm not sure the first words out of my mouth would be "I'm not saying anything without a lawyer", but it's gonna be on the tip of my tongue. You have to say enough about what happened so that they don't arrest you, but at the same time, anything you say can potentially **** you.

I'm also very aware when out in public that there are security cameras everywhere... I'm pretty sure that getting insurance for your business nowadays means having a mandatory CCTV recording. Just about everywhere you go, you're on video, certainly when inside any commercial establishment... not to mention everybody has cel-phone cameras.
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Oct 14?? **** me... when you get your upper elesjuan, let me know, I'll hook you up with a box or 2 of 300blk... a rifle without ammo is not cool.
I also have dies coming, including form die, to make from 223 casings. Sitting on plenty of primers, powder, and projectiles.
Oh Fantastic! Thanks man

Do have a bunch of projectiles, primers, and powder as well but the lack of dies and empty cases are a bit of a problem...
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