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Old 12-19-2015, 01:28 PM   #5221
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Valid points. I like mine as well.

There is a greater chance of reaching 122f than -40f in my area. A car can easily reach the higher temp in the summer. I would guess that having the sight exposed to direct sunlight on a hot day will do the same.

Option A: keep it and enjoy. Just be mindful of reaching the extremes based on your area. It will be essentially a paperweight as far as trying to sell down the road. It will leave you vulnerable to a good lawyer if something were to happen and you were still using a known defective sight.

Option B: get authorization and return for the full price you paid and get something else. What the something else is, i have no idea. I dont want a single dot. I like the donut and dot for cqb all the way out as far as your vision allows.
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There is a greater chance of reaching 122f than -40f in my area. A car can easily reach the higher temp in the summer. I would guess that having the sight exposed to direct sunlight on a hot day will do the same.
This is an important point in the Southwest. 122* is easily achievable in a vehicle/trunk or on exposed metal in the summer.

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Option A: keep it and enjoy. Just be mindful of reaching the extremes based on your area. It will be essentially a paperweight as far as trying to sell down the road. It will leave you vulnerable to a good lawyer if something were to happen and you were still using a known defective sight.
This is the biggest issue... doesn't really matter if the sight was really defective, but if you miss a shot, and it hits something else it's a contributing factor to negligence.

Resale is a good point as well.

6MOA is 1.5" at 25 yards and 3" at 50. Small percentage shots for personal defense, but not a margin I'd be comfortable with if a headshot/hostage shot was required.
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6MOA is 1.5" at 25 yards and 3" at 50. Small percentage shots for personal defense, but not a margin I'd be comfortable with if a headshot/hostage shot was required.
What margin would you be comfortable with if you needed to shoot someone in the head at 50 yards with CQ optics in order to avoid killing a hostage?

Because that's something that doesn't happen... except in the movies...

or if you're a police sniper, and using a quality non-CQ optic

or if you're a Soldier in a combat zone and you're 50 yards away from the stupidest enemy combatant on the planet, who chose to not run away when the Soldiers were closing in on him, and who also chose to not be prepared to ambush said Soldiers when they came through a funnel.

Bottom line, if you're worried about 3" at 50 yards and all you have is an EOTech or similar CQ optic, you're not going to shoot in the first place, or if you are going to shoot, then that 3" didn't make a difference on whether or not you decided that you needed to shoot.

Or you're an idiot.
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Old 12-19-2015, 04:42 PM   #5224
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You misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about a headshot on a subject with a hostage at 50 yards. I was talking about a wide range of dynamic situations that could occur within that distance, and provided examples of the error induced by a 6MOA shift. As I said, very low probability in personal defense situations, but if I'm going to deploy a rifle, I want to be able to make more precise hits than I can with a pistol...

Things get bad enough under stress when you know your weapon is zeroed. Having the zero shift is not something I want to be worried about when it hits the fan.

Point being that 6MOA margin of error is unacceptable. Unless you're an idiot.
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Old 12-19-2015, 05:49 PM   #5225
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This is assuming that a 6 moa shift is the max across all models. Are there some with more than that? How many were tested and by whom? Can we trust them coming clean with an accurate amount of shift?

I sometimes use that sight in competition. I am not sure i want to trust it at this point.
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Old 12-19-2015, 05:55 PM   #5226
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Bunch of f'in liars, putting our soldiers and leo at risk.
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Old 12-21-2015, 01:08 PM   #5227
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I was looking at an Eotech for my new flat top, but I think I'm going to skip that idea after all this & go with a FastFire III instead. Not to mention half the price. I had an Eotech on a RRA years ago & in hindsight I think I prefer the single dot of the FF. I want to leave the irons on, anyone know off hand if the standard height picatinny version or the raised height AR version is a better match for co-witnessing with the BUIS?
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:22 PM   #5228
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If you dont get the raised height you wont be able to use the thing without a riser, unless you have an AR with no buffer tube and a huge amount of cheek relief.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:43 PM   #5229
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This last weekend I spent an inordinate amount of time digging through my garage, my grandmothers garage and my fathers garage trying to find my box of black powder revolvers. I've not seen them since before my house burned to the ground in 2008 so I'm thinking they are probably gone. I mean, how do you lose 6 big steel revolvers at the same time?

I've strayed into a dangerous place looking for replacements. For whatever the **** reason I now have a serious lust for a flintlock:


Kentucky. 33.5" barrel 1:66 .50 cal 49" OAL


Hawken. 28" barrel 1:48 .50 cal 44.75" OAL


Tennessee. 24.5" barrel 1:66 .50 cal 40.5" OAL

To give you an idea of length, an M1 Garand is 43.5" OAL. I've got a Hawken style percussion rifle in .45 cal that I built from a kit when I was probably 14 or 15 and I've been shooting it ever since. In recent years I've had ignition problems with the percussion rifle due to what I expect is extreme corrosion in the flash channel so I've been considering retiring it, or possibly replacing the barrel if one of the same pattern can be found.

Hopefully this feeling will pass soon.
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Old 12-22-2015, 02:36 PM   #5230
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I have a Thompson Center Hawken that I inherited from my Father-in-law. He used it to hunt deer for several years. I've never fired it. I have considered making brackets and hanging it over the fireplace, but the wife isn't too fond of that idea. Looks very similar to the middle one you posted, except cap, not flintlock. It just sits in the gun case.
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Old 12-22-2015, 03:26 PM   #5231
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Thompson Center makes a solid muzzle-loader and I have mad respect for anyone skilled enough to successfully hunt with a sidelock and open sights.

Inline ignition MZ guns with optics? Not so much. I know these became popular once people figured out deer season opened earlier for muzzle loaders but I feel like this is not in the 'spirit of the law' as it were.



Its probably the traditionalist and luddite in me

BUT!

If it allows people better shot placement and a cleaner kill and thus less suffer for the animal, then I hardly have an argument.
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Old 12-24-2015, 11:54 AM   #5232
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Picked up another Mosin last night, this will be my 3rd. Unlike the other two, this is a Finn M39 SK.Y. marked for the Finnish Civil Guard. No bluing left, stock is dinged up, looks awesome. Shooting her Sunday, lots of bore cleaning left to do. Previous owner had it 8 years and never fired.
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Old 12-25-2015, 10:56 PM   #5233
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^You Mosin guys are masochists... ancient, heavy, innacurate, slow shooting, ugly, loud, crap ammo, blah blah. I'm h8n, Merry Xmas *******!

Anyways... would somebody who lives near a Palmetto State Armory walk in there and punch the first guy they see in the face for me, please!

I don't like to talk **** until all the cards are on the table, but they've ******* done it again. OK, so you remember last year when they released the PA10 platform and the first few hundred early-adopters had to learn the hard way that PSA did something funky with one of the dimensions on their lower receiver so that they wouldn't mate up with any other brand upper, essentially making their upper/lower a proprietary pair, yes? Remember? *******! So they actually allowed people to just order a lower from the website, knowing full well those dudes had paperweights coming to them because nothing they had at home would fit. Smooth move PSA.

Guess what, those guys just did it again. Yesterday, their new AR Glock-mag lower receivers hit the website. The place is closed of course, so threads start popping up about "What's the deal with these" and there's nobody home at PSA to answer the phone. One of their forum dudes responds in the PSA sub-forum at Arcom and says "Hey, you guys are quick, blah blah..." basically sounds like a tard and makes it appear that PSA is run by a bunch of asshats. A rollout for a product like this needs to be done properly. The world waited patiently for the PA10 lower (which PSA fucked away), and have been waiting patiently for their Glock lower (prototype at ShotShow)... so we get an Xmas Eve debut where it randomly pops up for sale on the website with ZERO press release or any other info.

To make it all come together, there's only ONE ******* THING that anybody cares about on an AR Glock lower... the Last-Round-Bolt-Hold-Open... DOES IT HAVE ONE AND HOW DOES IT WORK!?! There are several different ways to engineer it into the lower and/or upper, but the normal methods don't work because of the Glock magazine construction. PSA doesn't mention it at all either way on the website, but very sneakily mentions that their lowers will only work with the (also newly released) "proprietary" uppers... which leads you to believe that they've somehow managed to engineer a new and awesome BHO method that only works with their lower/upper combo... ******* SWEET, RIGHT!

NOPE, not only does their new product completely skip the BHO feature entirely, but they've managed to price the thing exactly the same as the leading competitor (Spartan from JoeBob) and about another half-dozen companies that do the exact same thing. And it's probably going to turn out that there is nothing special about their uppers at all, just that they call them a "hybrid" that will work with both Colt and Glock lowers... WHICH ALL THE ******* CURRENT UPPERS ALREADY DO!

I've been a PSA fan for a long time, but if they don't get this **** right in the next week or two, I might have to put them next to Hornady on my list of companies I've loved that let me down.
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Old 12-26-2015, 11:29 PM   #5234
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Just wanted to throw out there that Shrelok Pro ($12) is an awesome calculator for you long distance shooters. I had the free version, but the pro had my particular scope reticles.
I simply and quickly downloaded my cartridge, had the rifle input already entered, synced current temp/pressure, ranged distance the military mildot way, entered distance and wind/direction and was on target with my second hit 935yds out. Ok - so the target was 40"x30", but still - that freaking rocked. Now to fine tune my calculations and dial in accuracy. Shrelok on app store - check it out.

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Rem 700 AAC, .308, Lucid 4-16x L5 (cheap but works) Timney 2#, 168gr Hornady A-Max Match, suppressed F1 bucket



I just entered distance (no slope or wind) for convenience just to get an idea of what the app has.





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Old 12-27-2015, 11:43 AM   #5235
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Long distance shooting like that using an app is a rabbit hole that if I fell down would culminate in me buying a remington 2020.
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Old 12-27-2015, 03:34 PM   #5236
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Just wanted to throw out there that Shrelok Pro ($12) is an awesome calculator for you long distance shooters. I had the free version, but the pro had my particular scope reticles.
I simply and quickly downloaded my cartridge, had the rifle input already entered, synced current temp/pressure, ranged distance the military mildot way, entered distance and wind/direction and was on target with my second hit 935yds out. Ok - so the target was 40"x30", but still - that freaking rocked. Now to fine tune my calculations and dial in accuracy. Shrelok on app store - check it out.

Plate is dark spot center screen.
Rem 700 AAC, .308, Lucid 4-16x L5 (cheap but works) Timney 2#, 168gr Hornady A-Max Match, suppressed F1 bucket



I just entered distance (no slope or wind) for convenience just to get an idea of what the app has.





No spin-drift correction??? Maybe not a big deal on a .308, but a huge deal for 1/7 twist .223. I see drift of 5-7 inches at 200 yards, and it only accelerates as you go farther out.

Long range is something I'd love to get into, but don't have the space for half-mile shots. That lack of space saves me money, as excellent .300 win mag rifles are not cheap.
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Old 12-28-2015, 10:45 AM   #5237
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Oh it's got it... i could fill up the whole page with screen shots... check out the free version to get an idea, but the pro version is Pandora's box - nothing good (cheap) is gonna come from this











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Old 12-28-2015, 01:38 PM   #5238
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I'd love to be able to do some long range practice/learning.
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Old 12-28-2015, 06:20 PM   #5239
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Probably should be in the pic/vid thread but can only be appreciated here.
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I got the vortex strike eagle mounted on my bcm upper, using a vortex rebranded adm 3" offset mount. Real happy with that scope for the money.

The PSA upper will get an Aimpoint T1 I just got off of gunbroker. Comes with a qd mount. Gonna leave the fsb and run a lower 1/3 with a magpul buis. This will be my lightest build.
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