cjernigan

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I've been trying to get a good clean closed loop idle and it seems to be impossible. I've tried just about every frequency possible with all different kinds of cranking and minimum dc values.
Is there a magic set of numbers because i've gone through about 5 different MSQs that have closed loop setup as default idle. So to no avail am I getting any closer to having closed loop idle working. I've tried warm up only and that doesn't work well either. So i'm pretty much lost as to what I need to do in order to get a good idle. I have the diode installed and am just flat out lost.

It will sometimes sit around 500 rpm and bounce around while running rough as heck.

Al Hounos

i gave up pretty quickly, since open loop worked just fine.

Lex

I can't seem to get the MS to oscillate the AFs as regularly as the stock ECU causing for a rough idle which works sometimes but is unpredictable ... so I settled for open loop.

cjernigan

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I haven't messed with open loop at all. I'll do that tonight if I get a chance.

Lex

Give it a shot, my BP seems to like idling in the 12-13 A/F range if I want it to be smooth. Not ideal but I hate a rough idle.

Braineack

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My idle is butterz at 14.7 AFR with an 900rpm idle.

cjernigan

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Don't brag *******.

Closed loop?

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

i dont believe so.

shuiend

iTrader: (24)

Scott still has his stock ECU doing idle I believe. That is why his idle is perfect.

cjernigan

iTrader: (13)

Makes sense.
That won't work with bigger injectors though right such as 550s.

Braineack

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we'll see i have 460s on the way...im idling 305s now, I think Brian was idling 550s with his without problems.

Al Hounos

it's also because he's sharing sensors witht the stock ecu. i had to do idle control because my CAS has its own MS-only harness now.

cjernigan

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Seeing how my stock ECU still see's its own tach signal via the crankpositon sensor and MS has it's own CAS, do I need to even worry about idle then? I guess i don't really know how the IAC solenoid works.

mschlang

Why not? I'm running 460s and have a smooth stock-ecu controlled idle. To do so the ECU needs CLT and rpm, which are still connected to the stock ecu. No AFM or IAT needed.

cjernigan

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See that's where me not understanding what the hell is going on with the idle control comes in. Like i said I have not much of a clue. I'm not going to screw with idle anymore than what a PITA. Get the clutch fixed and put in the 550s. Looks like i've got a tiny bit of work ahead of me.

Lex

How are you guys controlling the injectors at idle with the stock ECU and then controlling them with the MS off idle? Unless you are using something like Emanage.

The car will hold an idle RPM within 20-40 RPM very well even without an IAC there at all. The A/F ratio control is the problem with the MS

cjernigan

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I didn't have much luck with the Warmup Only idle settings today. I'll spend more time with it later.

mschlang

Not the case. The only thing the stock ecu controls is idle speed and the AC. Fuel is a small part of the idle equation, you'll find that ignition timing is much more influential. For example, to get a stockish idle I had to run 10-12 degrees timing. At 14 degrees the idle would be unstable. On the other hand, it seems to idle anywhere from 13 to 15 afr with little care.

Lex

I have a 11 timing idle and tested many settings out ... still couldn't get it to be smooth without it being rich.

mschlang

What is your injection PW at idle? I'm around 1.9 ms, if your idle PW is too low it may be causing your lack of idle AFR control.

http://www.megamanual.com/v22manual/mtune.htm#idlepw