firedog25

Oh you got some money in yo paypal, Brain!

Braineack

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see it, already updated my list.

i forsee no freetime in my future.

JDMAflac

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You've been paypaled!

Now onward to find a search for a wideband. (best i found was 245 shipped for aem uego)

Ben

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last I checked you could not adjust the AEM's analog out. if that's still the case get the Innovate

/jack

jwarriner

Somes Qs that might be helpful to others:

Is it easy to add other stuff later, can Knocksense and the EBC be added without opening up the MS box? Can the stock ECU be removed altogether at some point?

Zabac

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i dont think that you can add anything without opening it...

Braineack

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I can mod the board for both. so no, you wouldnt have to open it up. The added cost is mostly the solenoid.

yes, the stock ecu could be removed. Just need the idle mod and fan controls, should be simple enough.

The idle mod will control the air idle valve on the TB. And the fans just get grounded, so bring the ground wire the thermoswitch grounds to the MS instead and walla.

Ben

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if it's a 1.6, the MS doesn't even need to control fans.

you will have to provision for a/c control too if you remove the ecu

Ole

Just a question from a MS noob... What is the difference between this DIY pack youre offering and the PnP for the 90-93???

I guess I have to more some of the wires in the conector anyway since I have this European version that uses a bit different ECU... I think so because the bous running link on this engine have to mod the conector...

reddroptop

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LC-1 or JAW. I am partial to the JAW. Great unit.

Braineack

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good to know. havent looked at the diagrams for it yet.

I was planning on having people run the ground line to the MS instead of the thermoswitch. Then you can at least pick the temp you want to turn them on at. But if that's the case the 207° switch works fine.

Ben

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yeah, that's a good point. I would suggest to those who want MS to run fan control the same way I am: cooling fan ground switched by MS and a/c side fan switched by thermoswitch via a dpst relay. this way I can set the temp the cooling fan turns on at, and the passenger side fan turns on with EITHER the a/c or at 207. Applies to 1.6 only.

Zabac

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red drop top-question regarding WB, i am too looking to get one, why is the LC-1 or JAW better than AEM, please share...pros cons...etc
thanks

Braineack

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hell if want me to add the jaw to your price i can build it and have it all ready for you.

I forgot i was going to offer that.

Jefe

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email sent.

Braineack

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do not see! spauldingsd [at] gmail

firedog25

WELL WTF@!@@@!!

Just kidding, what kind of price are you looking at for that tidbit? I got a quote from a dealer for $249 shipped for the Innovate LC-1 with the DB gauge.

Zabac

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BRAINEACK-thank goodness for paypal...you got it...
JDMAFLAK-brain confirmed, we combined it...sweet...

also...someone please explain benefit of one over another, id like to have A/F gauge...thanks

reddroptop

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Benefit is cost. Plus the JAW comes with a nifty display for much cheaper then an LC-1 with gauge.

All a wideband does is just interpolate voltages, this one has 2 outputs and onboard logging as well.

Don't get me wrong, the LC-1 is a SOLID unit, works exceptionally well in many applications.

A good analogy would be the JAW is more like a megasquirt and the LC-1 an AEM EMS.

Jefe

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