Boeuf

Fair enough but you make it sound like it's going to blow any minute running anything other than a stand alone. That's not true.

What about the massive number of cars over the years running superchargers and turbos with these "band aids" that go for years and thousands of miles with no issues?

I know a bunch of guys that have had cars without a stand alone ecu for years that have never had an issue.

shuiend

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ECU, Wideband, Injectors, IC setup, intake, and a clutch. All that will get you to about the max of a stock motor. But all that stuff is what is needed no matter what turbo hardware you need.

Depending on what year car you have I might have some more products soon that encompass everything you need, for a price that will be very competitive with the Voodoo system.

Frenchmanremy

My suggestion for you, is to listen to our suggestions.

Megasquirt + Whatever no-electronics kit you choose.

At that point, you can run stock injectors, and leave room for you to upgrade slowly towards better and greater power goals.

My main focus when I gathered my parts was reliability, and upgradeability. I went with an FM kit no electronics, 700cc injectors, GT2560R. I know it fits, I know it's proven.

shuiend

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I went back and looked and in post 6 I explain everything he needs to do.

yossi126

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It only takes once when the piggyback stops working and you have no compensation whatsoever, just like archevig had.
I personally know of a guy who blew up his fresh voodoo kit car after a week. Now he's rolling with an ms3 basic. Forums are loaded with blown up piggyback cars, so there are two sides to the story here.

Boeuf

Fair enough.

Orinawak

Thanks! I have a 2001 with the VVT...any plans for a more complete kit? Also, is it possible to order your kit without the exhaust? I would like to use my current 2.5" setup if I go turbo.



And on a side note here, from what it looks like most of you guys here don't like the Voodoo II. However, when I read over at other forums, people rave over that setup.

Frenchmanremy

Please see post#42 above. Literally on the same damn page.

Orinawak

Yes thank you sherlock I saw that already hence its quoted in my last post.

shuiend

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NB2 IC piping is mostly done. I need to test a few more things. I only sell my setup as all or nothing. My down pipes don't hook up to any other exhausts on the market, and 3" does make a noticeable difference over 2.5" for spool and power.


We are not a fan of voodoo or any other piggy backs because they have limited use. Once you get the power bug you tend to want more then what you start with. That means you need to sell what you have and upgrade to proper engine management. You will find that what you had spent on the fuel and spark piggy backs is just about what it costs to get into a standalone so you are wasting money in our minds.

Monk

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Also, other forums tend to do a lot more coddling and telling people what they want to hear.
This forum is for grownups.

shuiend

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And cats.
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Frenchmanremy

achervig

Amen, this is me, spent $$ on the Voodoo because it was "cheaper" than going full turbo and standalone at the same time. And I was too impatient to go standalone first, learn it, and THEN go turbo. So I've spent lots of money and kept myself behind the learning curve. Buy the standalone first, you choose which.

ridethecliche

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​​​​​​​Danger to manifold.

nbfather

The sensible Miata owner.

The incorrigible Miata owner!
I think I belong in this club...

Vehicle weight matters a lot more than we give it credit in relation to power goals on the Miata.
We have been wanking my son's car harder than **** stars, and while doing that have been removing unnecessary street comforts.
The car is already down to 2050 pounds and it still has a full interior...give or take, and a half tank of fuel.
Our weight goals, factoring in what others have done, comes out to 1855 pounds when complete. A roll bar has to be factored in so 1950 pounds give or take.

Compared a stock weight and the 1950 # car, the stock car needs another 60hp to match the lighter car.
Put another way a stock car with 300hp goes about the same as a1950# 240hp car...Of course the stock car has an additional piano in the trunk where it comes to going around corners .
On the other hand the lightweight car leaves blisters on your a$$ and bleeding ears!

Food for thought if you have a weak a$$ car

Schroedinger

Here is some food for thought. I'm about to commit heresy on the MT.net site.

You've already surmised that to do the turbo right, you need a lot of supporting stuff that costs $, and has a distinct learning curve. I was in the same place. So I wanted to really take my time and learn it right, and buy the stuff over time rather than all at once, but still have some power along the way.

In this case, a Jackson M45 supercharger kit is not a bad way to get started. This is my plan, and I'm happy with it so far.

These kits can be found with band-aid fuel/timing solutions for $1200, and can get you to 135-150hp at the wheels without needing all the other stuff. I installed a WBO2 and boost gauge and went this route; it gives 6-7psi of boost, and AFR's are right where they should be, my motor has never been healthier.

You can then proceed with all the stuff you would need for the turbo anyway. but do it at your own speed and learn as you go.
- Megasquirt
- injectors
- clutch
- intercooler

When you're done with this, sell the supercharger kit for about what you bought it for, and buy the MKTurbo kit for about the same money.

sixshooter

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A properly built 1.8 can get you that naturally aspirated. Friends don't let friends supercharge 1.6's.

It would suck to go to the time and effort to supercharge a 1.6 and still get schooled by a pimply-faced kid in his mother's beige Toyota Sienna minivan.

codrus

A properly built 1.8 that'll do M45 supercharger numbers is going to cost a lot more than that M45 will.

That's not to say I support buying an M45 -- those blowers are too small even for a 1.6. Power is addictive, and I've never met anyone who put a blower/turbo/etc on his car and didn't want to bump the power just a bit more after a while. With the M45 that's it, you're done, you have to throw it away to get more. MP62 is a more reasonable idea.

--Ian

ridethecliche

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Don't know anything about them personally, but have seen these pop up in a few facebook miata groups for injectors.


Looks like another group offering a mustang injector clip. The bp 1.8 drag car they have on the page is pretty cool!

Edit: weird... link won't show.

facebook(dot)com/KAinjection/