If I build around GT2560 will log mani be a hindrance comp. to a SSM -also DP design?
12-08-2009, 05:30 PM
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If I build around GT2560 will log mani be a hindrance comp. to a SSM -also DP design?
I've done some searching to see how much better the SSM style manifold over a log design is. Perhaps I didnt search enough but it looks to be better but the tests were on bigger turbo's and higher psi levels than I am going to start and maybe live (stay) with
Want to stay with stock motor '02 and less than 12psi so I dont know if it will be noticable having either one.
I would like good streetability with power starting early thats I why I think I may need the tubular design but I dont know enough right now.
Should I spend the extra money going to a SSM from a cast manifold?
Will the FM manifold and cast DP hinder the spool ? Should I at least go with the BEGI SGDP if I do go with any of the cast log mani's ?
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Want to stay with stock motor '02 and less than 12psi so I dont know if it will be noticable having either one.
I would like good streetability with power starting early thats I why I think I may need the tubular design but I dont know enough right now.
Should I spend the extra money going to a SSM from a cast manifold?
Will the FM manifold and cast DP hinder the spool ? Should I at least go with the BEGI SGDP if I do go with any of the cast log mani's ?
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12-08-2009, 06:34 PM
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Spool: Absurdflow
Looks: Absurdflow/ARtech/DIY
18 psi & i think wanecurr both made there own manifolds, both very good looking and work fine im sure.
If you even plan to track the car, begi/fm mani's seem to have a pretty big issue with loosing/stretching studs.
Looks: Absurdflow/ARtech/DIY
18 psi & i think wanecurr both made there own manifolds, both very good looking and work fine im sure.
If you even plan to track the car, begi/fm mani's seem to have a pretty big issue with loosing/stretching studs.
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12-08-2009, 07:28 PM
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I've done some searching to see how much better the SSM style manifold over a log design is. Perhaps I didnt search enough but it looks to be better but the tests were on bigger turbo's and higher psi levels than I am going to start and maybe live (stay) with
Want to stay with stock motor '02 and less than 12psi so I dont know if it will be noticable having either one.
I would like good streetability with power starting early thats I why I think I may need the tubular design but I dont know enough right now.
Should I spend the extra money going to a SSM from a cast manifold?
Will the FM manifold and cast DP hinder the spool ? Should I at least go with the BEGI SGDP if I do go with any of the cast log mani's ?
Thanks
Want to stay with stock motor '02 and less than 12psi so I dont know if it will be noticable having either one.
I would like good streetability with power starting early thats I why I think I may need the tubular design but I dont know enough right now.
Should I spend the extra money going to a SSM from a cast manifold?
Will the FM manifold and cast DP hinder the spool ? Should I at least go with the BEGI SGDP if I do go with any of the cast log mani's ?
Thanks
By "cast log mani", I assume you mean either the FM or BEGI cast mani? I wouldn't consider them "log" manifolds.
I have no experience with the FM options (mani or downpipe) so between them or BEGI I don't know which I would go with.
My biased opinion is to run Absurdflow stuff as it's relatively cheap for me to do so. If you don't feel like waiting, paying, and/or dealing with that absurdflow jackass, go with ARTech.
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12-08-2009, 07:41 PM
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^ lol, Tim you must be have an assload of work driving customers away like that 
flow
spool
smallest/shortest runners = faster spool
bigger downpipe = faster spool
Long runner manifolds spool slower than a log manifold, all else being equal, but make more power once spooled.
flow
spoolsmallest/shortest runners = faster spool
bigger downpipe = faster spool
Long runner manifolds spool slower than a log manifold, all else being equal, but make more power once spooled.
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12-08-2009, 07:49 PM
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I like pushing work your way because you do a great job, are inexpensive, and I like you. no homo.
And you do 1.6 stuff. End hijack.
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12-08-2009, 09:00 PM
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OP, what do you want to do with the car? For street and/or track, the spool you get with the FM cast with a 2560, esp with a good dp & exhaust will probably be sufficient. The caveat for track duty with this setup is that 1. you may have stud problems on track with this combo and 2. there is no vband housing avail for this turbo (someone correct me if I'm wrong, I only found a vband to flange adapter on atp).
I am sticking with my 2560R, since I have it, and am having a tubular mani built for it, hoping for awesome spool for autocross. Plus, tubular is just cooler.
I am sticking with my 2560R, since I have it, and am having a tubular mani built for it, hoping for awesome spool for autocross. Plus, tubular is just cooler.
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12-08-2009, 10:59 PM
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I don't see the point of getting an expensive tubular manifold if you're targeting 250whp. As you boost more, those percentage points of improved efficiency make much more of a difference than at 15psi.
I do agree with the vband comment EXCEPT note that after I resbonded my 10mm studs, they stopped backing out. I'm not an ultra track commando but I have some faith in the resbond for street use and probably light track. There's track data in the epic thread.
I do agree with the vband comment EXCEPT note that after I resbonded my 10mm studs, they stopped backing out. I'm not an ultra track commando but I have some faith in the resbond for street use and probably light track. There's track data in the epic thread.
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instant power in low rpm range, wasnt really ment to be serious!
12-09-2009, 10:32 AM
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My math:
GT2560R
BEGI log
IWG
MBC
94 low comp block, stock head
3" Enthuza
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Spools 14psi before 3500rpm.
Very streetable, but for pure street/city driving I'd probably get a 2554. For track I might be tempted to get slightly larger, or get a 99+ head.
GT2560R
BEGI log
IWG
MBC
94 low comp block, stock head
3" Enthuza
________ +
Spools 14psi before 3500rpm.
Very streetable, but for pure street/city driving I'd probably get a 2554. For track I might be tempted to get slightly larger, or get a 99+ head.
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12-09-2009, 11:22 AM
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12-09-2009, 12:24 PM
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I read all the 2554 v '60 threads and since I'm only going to 12 psi max I might just have to do the 54. If I build the motor later I can upgrade to a bigger turbo.
Sounds like the Absurdflow + 3" all the way back can turn the 54 into a 60 for spool.
The issue with the Absurdflow is that its hard to find used ones - ok there is no used ones for sale. Whereas a used cast manifold is dirt cheap. I'm trying to keep costs down as I will be getting a Adaptronic in the mix and that also isnt a very discounted item.
I sure like the performance and looks of them though - very nice - love those welds.
You could send me an Absurdflow quote anyways by PM. I would need it to work with my PS and AC and throw in a good working used GT2554 to the quote if you have one. Make it a package deal. I suppose it would not be worth it without 3" piping all the way back as well. I wasnt sure if you did that too.
Sounds like the Absurdflow + 3" all the way back can turn the 54 into a 60 for spool.
The issue with the Absurdflow is that its hard to find used ones - ok there is no used ones for sale. Whereas a used cast manifold is dirt cheap. I'm trying to keep costs down as I will be getting a Adaptronic in the mix and that also isnt a very discounted item.
I sure like the performance and looks of them though - very nice - love those welds.
You could send me an Absurdflow quote anyways by PM. I would need it to work with my PS and AC and throw in a good working used GT2554 to the quote if you have one. Make it a package deal. I suppose it would not be worth it without 3" piping all the way back as well. I wasnt sure if you did that too.
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