Motion Control Single adjustables installed
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Little update. Here are some shock dynos performed on a set of singles by an independent party. Also shown for comparison are shock dynos from some Moton triples. These are undoctored unlike 99.9% of the shock dynos you see online. Notice the consistency of the MCS. I'll let the dynos speak for themselves but if you have questions just ask.
Force vs. Absolute Velocity. Multiple runs ok various dampening settings.
Force vs. Displacement
Force vs. velocity
Now the motons for comparison
Force vs. Displacement
Force vs. velocity
Force vs. Absolute Velocity. Multiple runs ok various dampening settings.
Force vs. Displacement
Force vs. velocity
Now the motons for comparison
Force vs. Displacement
Force vs. velocity
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Was this a local company that did the testing?
Very consistent, I like it. Maybe one day I'll try a set.
Until then, we have more testing to do...
Xida coilovers Miata
Very consistent, I like it. Maybe one day I'll try a set.
Until then, we have more testing to do...
Xida coilovers Miata
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<p>Has anyone done a back to back yet?</p><p>Or even just drove both of them for a decent amount of time?</p><p>Martin have you drove Xidas? Richard was on them right? Were those gen1's or 2s</p>
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I've driven both gens of xida. Gen 2 only on the street. Gen 1 only on track.
They just aren't as consistent as the mcs nor do they ride as well on the street with big rates. I'll have a xida shock dyno sometime next week. Same dyno
They just aren't as consistent as the mcs nor do they ride as well on the street with big rates. I'll have a xida shock dyno sometime next week. Same dyno
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<p><s>MCS are 3k without tophats or springs.</s></p><p>I misunderstood an earlier conversation. Correct answer below.</p>
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Seems like it would be valuable for someone to provide a description of how each shock would feel/perform vs. one another for a user in layman's terms instead of saying shock X is better than Y because of Dyno graph Z.
Not everyone is a shock engineer or well versed in the art but these are both easily accessible suspensions allowing a wide range of users to quickly acquire and drive. Or maybe it's just me that would find that reading useful.
For record.. MCS 1wnr owner and very happy. Seat time on Xida gen 1's which were also very impressive but didn't blow me away for some reason. Again, my butt is not calibrated for high end suspensions so my comments mean near zilch.
Not everyone is a shock engineer or well versed in the art but these are both easily accessible suspensions allowing a wide range of users to quickly acquire and drive. Or maybe it's just me that would find that reading useful.
For record.. MCS 1wnr owner and very happy. Seat time on Xida gen 1's which were also very impressive but didn't blow me away for some reason. Again, my butt is not calibrated for high end suspensions so my comments mean near zilch.
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****, I've typed this post three times and the website keeps eating it. Something about the > and < signs is ******* it up.
Speaking generally, you can break it up into LESS THAN 3in/sec and MORE THAN 3in/sec
Below 3in/sec is what you feel when you turn the wheel, brake, etc. The shocks are damping driver inputs at low-speed. You want a fair amount of firmness here to ensure the car feels firm and planted when you turn into a corner or hit the brakes. Too little valving here and the car feels like a sloppy mess.
Above 3in/sec is where the shocks are damping potholes, curbs, road imperfections. You want enough force to control the rapid compression of the spring, but not so much that the shock applies a bunch of that force to the chassis. Too much valving here and the car crashes over curbs and the chassis gets upset.
This is like 75 words on a topic which people write books about on a regular basis, so keep that in mind.
Here's what I want my shock dyno to look like at that price point. I have $3100 into the shocks on Rover, which were originally gen1 XIDAs that were then upgraded by HVT to include digressive rebound pistons. Compare to the MCE charts and draw your own conclusions.
Speaking generally, you can break it up into LESS THAN 3in/sec and MORE THAN 3in/sec
Below 3in/sec is what you feel when you turn the wheel, brake, etc. The shocks are damping driver inputs at low-speed. You want a fair amount of firmness here to ensure the car feels firm and planted when you turn into a corner or hit the brakes. Too little valving here and the car feels like a sloppy mess.
Above 3in/sec is where the shocks are damping potholes, curbs, road imperfections. You want enough force to control the rapid compression of the spring, but not so much that the shock applies a bunch of that force to the chassis. Too much valving here and the car crashes over curbs and the chassis gets upset.
This is like 75 words on a topic which people write books about on a regular basis, so keep that in mind.
Here's what I want my shock dyno to look like at that price point. I have $3100 into the shocks on Rover, which were originally gen1 XIDAs that were then upgraded by HVT to include digressive rebound pistons. Compare to the MCE charts and draw your own conclusions.
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