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Old 05-31-2014, 08:56 AM   #1
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So I had the opportunity to install some Motion Control Singles on Lazarus with 700/400 rates which I think is a good setup for for a 1900 pound car. Camber numbers ended up at -3 all around at a pinch weld height of 4.5 front and 4.75 rear. I've had the pleasure of tracking on them on my boss's miata and they were fantastic. His were the prototype set for the MCS singles and I have the second revision of the valving now so they should be even better.

I'll be trying them out Monday with 15x8 +32 wheels wrapped in sm6 takeoffs at Portland International Raceway. Previous best at this track was 1:32'dead on ra1 takeoffs with NB bilstein sports with ebay sleeves with 500/400'springs. Car has a big front bar and a stock NA6 rear bar. Goal is to get 1:30 dead or below.

For reference the SM record is a 1:30.506

Thought I would share is with you guys as another potential track suspension option, I'm sure some of you have heard of motion control before if you're pretty serious racers but I don't know whether the majority of the miata community is aware of their existence,

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I'll post back Monday with more info and a proper review, if you guys have any questions let me know, one of the techs at the shop I'm working at this summer has them on his Nb set up for auto cross in STR so I can provide info from that perspective as well. I've also had the pleasure of street driving them on my boss's dual purpose car and they ride phenomenal on the street.
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I've heard very, very, very good things about MCS and their stuff.

I know a lot of Grand AM teams are running MCS now that the dampers have been opened up.

I didn't realize they had any offerings for the miata, I'm curious to hear how you like these...
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considerably more expensive than the new xida, especially considering they don't come with springs, top hats, Torrington bearings and all that.
I would imagine they are pretty similar. However, the xidas are a sure thing. I doubt they have spent the time and energy to develop these over time as Emilio did with specific applications in mind. And.... Xida=lifetime warranty!
im happy with my first gen xidas for now
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I've heard very, very, very good things about MCS and their stuff.

I know a lot of Grand AM teams are running MCS now that the dampers have been opened up.

I didn't realize they had any offerings for the miata, I'm curious to hear how you like these...
I think there was an offering, but it was like 6 grand...this one is supposed to be more reasonable, but definitely in the Xida range from my reading in 2013.
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This setup is 3k out the door with springs and top hats. The shop I'm working at has actually been working on developing the miata singles with MCS, we are on the 2nd revision of the valving, this is the second set with that valving. I know that John Man just bought a set of MCS doubles from us which are closer to the 6k price tag you guys assumed. These have been developed specifically with the miata platform in mind. Ill have video and aim Solo data overlay later this week after Monday's track debut.
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Fancy stuff for Laz. I like.

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you made a joke about "raceland ultimos" in the other thread, I thought to myself "wow that looks like pretty good quality to be raceland"

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Yeah, I was kidding haha, I really wasn't expecting this to happen at all but the opportunity and timing came up and I don't see myself ever buying another set of coilovers for any miata I'll ever own. The consistency of the dampers is what has impressed me the most so far.
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He makes some good points. Miatas are just so cheap on consumables, why track anything else. So even if he goes to a 600hp v8 NB in the future, these will swap right over. Why not get the purchase out of the way and start enjoying them now?

Can't wait to hear the results on Monday! Ill sadly be working.
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So Laz is insanely close to the spec miata record for PIR which is 1:30.448. Laz managed a 1:30.947 today on corded SM6s that got progressively more and more terrible. There is a lot left in the car as I'm relearning it with the MCS however it is super consistent and easier to drive after we played with the dampers and sway bar combo today. I'm amazed how well these dampers take light duty off-roading when you go off or when you smack a curb and the car just soaks it up and keeps going.

I gave curly a ride yesterday im sure he can chime in on his perspective. Ill have some videos up soon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcqn...ature=youtu.be
Here's a video from session 1, first time out on them, again, if you watch carefully you see how composed the car is over the bumps in a repeatable reliable fashion. I also do some light duty offroading here and the shocks just soaked it all up. I ended up taking the rear sway off after this since I didn't like the overly tail happy nature of the car and it was much easier to drive and went faster too. 1 more video coming up.
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Here's my second session, car felt much better and I was really able to attack the curbing but the tires were flatspotted and cording badly at this point already.

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Savington was running 1:29's or thereabouts last year during NASA PTE. His car has more power, and perhaps more development.
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Savington was running 1:29's or thereabouts last year during NASA PTE. His car has more power, and perhaps more development.
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Oh oh! Xidas!!
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I forgot to mention that Savington is also racing in a class where he is points-regulated. so his car is maybe 2400 lbs and for arguments sake makes 150whp. Laz is maybe 2000 lbs and makes 120ish? There is no apples to apples comparison. I was using it as a target number.
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I forgot to mention that Savington is also racing in a class where he is points-regulated. so his car is maybe 2400 lbs and for arguments sake makes 150whp. Laz is maybe 2000 lbs and makes 120ish? There is no apples to apples comparison. I was using it as a target number.
2400# / 136whp at that race
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2400# / 136whp at that race
Like I said, I would use Savington as a target, and one that you can see on various tracks. Andrew is a good driver and lays down some fast laps in a nicely developed car.

Laz should be faster than a Spec miata. I think it needs some aero and fresh rubber. then you have no excuses, and a car that could be in the 1:28-1:29 zone at PIR.
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Like I said, I would use Savington as a target, and one that you can see on various tracks. Andrew is a good driver and lays down some fast laps in a nicely developed car.

Laz should be faster than a Spec miata. I think it needs some aero and fresh rubber. then you have no excuses, and a car that could be in the 1:28-1:29 zone at PIR.
For reference, Spec Miata run 2300 to 2415# at 120-127whp.
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