rear knuckle upper spherical discussion
#82
im going to use retaining compound to hold mine in. discussed earlier in the thread. i wanted to keep them steel for those that wanted to weld them in.
#84
I wouldnt want them as aluminum because Im using that spot for camber adjustment with an eccentric bolt like the V8-r arms have. so I want it not to squish or gall easily. I can quickly and accuratily change rear camber settings without jacking up toe that way while utilizing hub stands and not taking it to a fancy alignment shop.
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the 2 spacers you linked add up to 0.774", plus the bearing... yea its way short. the bore size is right though.
ive never heard of emachineshop, im looking at it now, cool site.
I wouldnt want them as aluminum because Im using that spot for camber adjustment with an eccentric bolt like the V8-r arms have. so I want it not to squish or gall easily. I can quickly and accuratily change rear camber settings without jacking up toe that way while utilizing hub stands and not taking it to a fancy alignment shop.
well you want to give em a shot and see if they work? if not ill be glad to make some steel ones for you.
#88
5mm steel washer x2
16mm aluminum spacer x2
14mm Teflon lined bearing
56mm total = 2.205"
Close enough?
16mm aluminum spacer x2
14mm Teflon lined bearing
56mm total = 2.205"
Close enough?
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5mm steel washer x2
16mm aluminum spacer x2
14mm Teflon lined bearing
56mm total = 2.205"
Close enough?
16mm aluminum spacer x2
14mm Teflon lined bearing
56mm total = 2.205"
Close enough?
im going to take some of your ideas and play around with the options to see how cheap i can get these.
id shy away from any of the bearings you linked. at $3.30 each, how can they be anything decent?
#90
What about offsetting the holes in the sleeves? Would be a pita to adjust though.
I am still planning on making a set, but will most likely do them in 303 stainless as I have some material sitting around. I only have access to a manual lathe, so I am sure it'll take me at least a few hours to whip out a set.
--Ferdi
#91
i like the way youre thinking, but that bearing is way too small. but yea, 10 thou isnt going to make a huge difference.
im going to take some of your ideas and play around with the options to see how cheap i can get these.
id shy away from any of the bearings you linked. at $3.30 each, how can they be anything decent?
im going to take some of your ideas and play around with the options to see how cheap i can get these.
id shy away from any of the bearings you linked. at $3.30 each, how can they be anything decent?
#92
the spacers are and will be aluminum. i used 3/4" 6061 for our spacers.
i made ours out of aluminum bob, i could have done them out of steel for you if i had known, and i just shipped them out this morning even worse, if you have an eccentric setup, the holes in your arms are larger, so the 3/4" stock i used wont play as nice.
well you want to give em a shot and see if they work? if not ill be glad to make some steel ones for you.
i made ours out of aluminum bob, i could have done them out of steel for you if i had known, and i just shipped them out this morning even worse, if you have an eccentric setup, the holes in your arms are larger, so the 3/4" stock i used wont play as nice.
well you want to give em a shot and see if they work? if not ill be glad to make some steel ones for you.
Last edited by bbundy; 01-01-2015 at 01:15 AM.
#93
So you're using a stock camber bolt in this location? How many degrees of camber adjustment are you getting?
What about offsetting the holes in the sleeves? Would be a pita to adjust though.
I am still planning on making a set, but will most likely do them in 303 stainless as I have some material sitting around. I only have access to a manual lathe, so I am sure it'll take me at least a few hours to whip out a set.
--Ferdi
What about offsetting the holes in the sleeves? Would be a pita to adjust though.
I am still planning on making a set, but will most likely do them in 303 stainless as I have some material sitting around. I only have access to a manual lathe, so I am sure it'll take me at least a few hours to whip out a set.
--Ferdi
The worry with aluminum spacers is that they wont handle repeated adjustments too well if I start jacking with the settings a lot.
I used rapid back to back testing of settings to find what works. Found my high hp car likes a boatload of front camber and not so much rear camber. I might even go so far as to change camber for different types of events. Prosolo is much more heavily weighted towards getting a good launch.
Last edited by bbundy; 01-01-2015 at 01:42 AM.
#94
Bob, how do you get the front camber bolts so tight? I cant even get the box end of my wrench on the nut of the back one next to the chassis. So I just tighten them until I cant get the open end to stay on anymore. Which still gets me to the torque spec of hinnngggggggggggaragghraaerahra. I'm due for new bolts next time I change alignment and the switch to nylocs so the bolts last longer.
#95
Bob, how do you get the front camber bolts so tight? I cant even get the box end of my wrench on the nut of the back one next to the chassis. So I just tighten them until I cant get the open end to stay on anymore. Which still gets me to the torque spec of hinnngggggggggggaragghraaerahra. I'm due for new bolts next time I change alignment and the switch to nylocs so the bolts last longer.
specs from my manual are
forward front lower 69-83 ft lbs
aft front lower 61-76 ft-lbs
rears 54-70
I would guess I'm going to something over 100. forward front lower is the worst. Having grease all over from trying to grease urethane bushings doesn't help. grease works at lowering friction between metal surfaces unlike its rapid complete failure at lubricating urethane effectively.
#96
I just had an Idea how to possibly make Urethane bushings 1000X better.
The inner sleeve on my V8R bishings are 7/8”. If I redesign the sleeves splitting them in two pieces machine the center down to ¾” OD I can insert Teflon and oil impregnated bronze sleeve bearing for a ¾” shaft with a 7/8” OD between the urethane and the inner shaft.
McMaster-Carr
Might work better than delrin even because the flexability of the urethane will prevent binding.
The inner sleeve on my V8R bishings are 7/8”. If I redesign the sleeves splitting them in two pieces machine the center down to ¾” OD I can insert Teflon and oil impregnated bronze sleeve bearing for a ¾” shaft with a 7/8” OD between the urethane and the inner shaft.
McMaster-Carr
Might work better than delrin even because the flexability of the urethane will prevent binding.
#97
I just had an Idea how to possibly make Urethane bushings 1000X better.
The inner sleeve on my V8R bishings are 7/8”. If I redesign the sleeves splitting them in two pieces machine the center down to ¾” OD I can insert Teflon and oil impregnated bronze sleeve bearing for a ¾” shaft with a 7/8” OD between the urethane and the inner shaft.
McMaster-Carr
Might work better than delrin even because the flexability of the urethane will prevent binding.
The inner sleeve on my V8R bishings are 7/8”. If I redesign the sleeves splitting them in two pieces machine the center down to ¾” OD I can insert Teflon and oil impregnated bronze sleeve bearing for a ¾” shaft with a 7/8” OD between the urethane and the inner shaft.
McMaster-Carr
Might work better than delrin even because the flexability of the urethane will prevent binding.
#98
I would probably use 316L stainless as it has about twice the yield strength of the mild steel used by the Energy Suspension ones that I have mushroomed the ends on. It’s not that expensive from Onlinemetals.com in small quantities.
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Be careful on using aluminum spacers around spherical bearings. I purchased a name brand panhard rod for my Corolla GT-S (AE86) back in the day that used aluminum spacers. I torqued everything down and didn't see any issues. A few months later the rod end broke because the aluminum had deformed and bound up the rod end. The company I purchased the panhard now uses steel spacers after I found a few other users with the same problem.