Head and Neck Restraint Discusion
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (18)
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Big Bear Ca
Posts: 988
Total Cats: 8
Head and Neck Restraint Discusion
My local race shops owner spent quite a bit of time pontificating on the advantages of the Safety Solutions Hybrid/Rage h&n's vs the Hans. Supposedly the only thing Hans does better is marketing. Most of his arguments seemed valid. Especially on the lateral loading. The Hybrid/Rage has side straps, that seems to be an advantage to those that don't have halo seats.
Hybrid/Rage
Hans
Defender
Discuss...
Hybrid/Rage
Hans
Defender
Discuss...
#4
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,099
What are his arguments? I use a HANS with sliding tethers and I have no gripes about it - zero limitation in visibility, and when I use it with my Schroth II-6H belts I don't even notice I'm wearing it.
#5
If you want better test/sled results and protection in side/angular impacts. Check out Issacs H&N.
If I had to choose... I'd still go with the Hybrid. Not being dependent on belts is important to me. Hans is the factory standard because they WROTE those standards... which allows them to keep others out of their cookie jar. They'll never get money from me as I feel there are better options on the market.
In order of my preference:
Hybrid/Rage etc... (pick the non-belt dependent one, then you are secure in non-harnessed cars)
Issacs (hydraulic format, provides excellent protection ... see sled test #s on their site)
Defender (fixes less than great belt issues with the Hans (which yes... require a perfectly setup harness setup per their instructions).
Hans.... nope... not unless I was required to wear it by someone paying me to wear it.
If I had to choose... I'd still go with the Hybrid. Not being dependent on belts is important to me. Hans is the factory standard because they WROTE those standards... which allows them to keep others out of their cookie jar. They'll never get money from me as I feel there are better options on the market.
In order of my preference:
Hybrid/Rage etc... (pick the non-belt dependent one, then you are secure in non-harnessed cars)
Issacs (hydraulic format, provides excellent protection ... see sled test #s on their site)
Defender (fixes less than great belt issues with the Hans (which yes... require a perfectly setup harness setup per their instructions).
Hans.... nope... not unless I was required to wear it by someone paying me to wear it.
#6
Elite Member
iTrader: (14)
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 2,101
Total Cats: 180
I've also got the Hans with sliding tethers... no complaints here. Beside, how comfortable is the hybrid with that 'spine guard' running down your back? I'd assume it's not very comfortable, but I'd have to try one. But, I don't have a halo either, so I'm SOL in a side impact I guess.
#7
Tour de Franzia
iTrader: (6)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
Frankly, and intelligent or not, I don't feel like putting a half-corset on when a HANS is 10x easier to deal with. The Defender looks good too but they're all so expensive that I have not purchased one yet.
I know it's totally gay, but if Ultra-Sheild made a screw-on halo, I'd buy it. I can't drive my car to and from the track with a halo seat.
I know it's totally gay, but if Ultra-Sheild made a screw-on halo, I'd buy it. I can't drive my car to and from the track with a halo seat.
#8
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (18)
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Big Bear Ca
Posts: 988
Total Cats: 8
The literature he showed me showed the Hybrid/Rage's sled #'s are much higher in frontal impact, and side protection was non-existent on the hans. I'll be in the market for one someday and was hoping to get some first hand reviews.
I'll check out the Issacs.
Like Hustler, I wish Ultra-Shields had the bolt on halos. I was going to buy some Kirkey bolt on halos, and modify them to fit my Ultra-Shields. But decided to try to fit some of those side/cage nets. I as soon as I get my car back, I'll start working on this.
I'll check out the Issacs.
Like Hustler, I wish Ultra-Shields had the bolt on halos. I was going to buy some Kirkey bolt on halos, and modify them to fit my Ultra-Shields. But decided to try to fit some of those side/cage nets. I as soon as I get my car back, I'll start working on this.
#9
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central, TX / Bay area, CA
Posts: 1,260
Total Cats: 5
I I'm looking into getting either the defender or Hybrid/Rage. I had ruled out the hans because of the side impact issue. Ive seen the defender available for just over $400, the Rage ones seem to be at least twice that. How much do the Issacs run? Ive not heard of them until this thread.
#11
For people that don't value their head/neck like they should these 6-4 restraints from Security Race Products are an inexpensive, light alternative. They are commonly used in circle track, dirt and boat racing. At only $75 they are better than wearing nothing by a long way. Similar to a Hutchens device.
#12
I use a Defendr largely because of the improvements in side impact over the HANS design. That they're a California company and a bunch of gearheads is also a plus.
__________________
#13
Another tidbit, for anyone who considers instructing... I really suggest trying a Hybrid setup. I used a friend and you don't really notice the back piece. It also doesn't require ANY specific harness/seatbelt setup. It links your head to the device... not head/device/belts.
So if you get in and out of cars... variances of setup don't make any difference.
So if you get in and out of cars... variances of setup don't make any difference.
#20
I just got my DefNder and it feels pretty damn good. I got it beacuse, for the options, it was cheaper and seemed to be better in all areas I could find. $549 shipped isn't a bad price and I knew I should have been running one all along. Plus as soon as I mentioned what it was my wife wouldn't stop bugging me to get it.