Boss Frog "Frog Arms" anybody has?
06-12-2009, 11:24 AM
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Ah cool. Looks and sounds like win but wanted to check before spending the $$. I'm told with high rate springs on NAs you'll get a lot of awkward chassis flexing..
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06-12-2009, 11:39 AM
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Wagliardo had some installed at one point. He ditched them and has gone with door bars and hasn't looked back. But, we'll let him chime in.
A few have stated that frame rails with door bars are a little better when it comes to expansion joints in the roads, doesn't shimmy through the car.
A few have stated that frame rails with door bars are a little better when it comes to expansion joints in the roads, doesn't shimmy through the car.
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06-12-2009, 11:53 AM
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No froggies, I've got the door bars. Those, I love. Bigger effect even than the butterfly.
I was so tired of the chassis shimmy I was gonna sell the car and buy a Stook, but the door bars satisfied my hankering for chassis rigidity.
I'm still waiting for someone to definitively say the Froggies reduce chassis shimmy. When that happens, I'll buy 'em.
So far people say it makes the steering or turn in feel tighter.
I was so tired of the chassis shimmy I was gonna sell the car and buy a Stook, but the door bars satisfied my hankering for chassis rigidity.
I'm still waiting for someone to definitively say the Froggies reduce chassis shimmy. When that happens, I'll buy 'em.
So far people say it makes the steering or turn in feel tighter.
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06-12-2009, 12:29 PM
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Cool, Thanks for the input Jason!
I've heard TONS of good things about the door bars. A friend just built a big tubing bender and was obsessed with the idea of making and mass marketing some door bars on the cheap but never got around to it..
Next on the list to buy! Sounds like I'll wait on the frog arms with you.
I've heard TONS of good things about the door bars. A friend just built a big tubing bender and was obsessed with the idea of making and mass marketing some door bars on the cheap but never got around to it..
Next on the list to buy! Sounds like I'll wait on the frog arms with you.
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06-12-2009, 12:51 PM
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Mazda Performance Parts: Hard Dog Bolt-In Door Bar for 1990-1997 Miata
Those the door bars you guys are talking about?
I know I'm still noobing, but the ad mentions nothing about "sold as pairs" it only says $275 quantity 1. That's gotta be for a pair... right?
Those the door bars you guys are talking about?
I know I'm still noobing, but the ad mentions nothing about "sold as pairs" it only says $275 quantity 1. That's gotta be for a pair... right?
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06-12-2009, 01:35 PM
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Those are the ones.... and are for the pair. At least that is what Gary sells them for at Track Dog.
Door bars plus frame rails - without butterfly attachment - feels exactly like a cage without the added weight.
Turn in is still just as crisp - but is noticeably different over stock.
Door bars plus frame rails - without butterfly attachment - feels exactly like a cage without the added weight.
Turn in is still just as crisp - but is noticeably different over stock.
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06-12-2009, 02:05 PM
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Yes them's the ones I've got (goodwin racing link above).
Search for my youtube miata door bar vid.
Pls. excuse the ugly talent, he was walking by and I offered him a donut as payment.
Note, it took me a while to find a reclinable race seat that fit with the door bars. I've now got one from Memory Fab from the Bay Area.
Search for my youtube miata door bar vid.
Pls. excuse the ugly talent, he was walking by and I offered him a donut as payment.
Note, it took me a while to find a reclinable race seat that fit with the door bars. I've now got one from Memory Fab from the Bay Area.
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06-12-2009, 04:44 PM
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I can tell you it is not difficult at all. It is harder to get out of an Ultrashield seat because of the side bolster. This is a "preference" thing I guess.
I wish I would have installed these first, but I installed a "bolt-in" cage instead.
That is a pain to get out of.
Give and take relationship at this point.
I wish I would have installed these first, but I installed a "bolt-in" cage instead.
That is a pain to get out of.
Give and take relationship at this point.
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06-12-2009, 04:49 PM
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I need something for my current miata....since i took the HT off the thing flexes like crazy, i hear my doors and a-pillars rubbing like crazy....maybe I need to get some frame rails or alike.
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06-12-2009, 04:56 PM
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Boss Frog Frog Arms Installation Thread - MX-5 Miata Forum
Initial impressions:
It's no illusion, these things do exactly what Boss Frog claims- they massively stiffen up the front end of the car. I've only driven them about 20 miles so far but what used to be noticeable cowl shake over bumps is now just a minor cowl vibration. The whole front end of the car feels more like a German car, just stiff, it goes where you point it without hesitation.
Will post up more long term results as i put more miles on the car.. but i am definitely very impressed so far. I hit a few bumps hard on purpose , ones that used to induce scary amounts of cowl shake, and now what was visible movement just looks like a mild vibration- think of hitting a steel rod with a hammer.
It's no illusion, these things do exactly what Boss Frog claims- they massively stiffen up the front end of the car. I've only driven them about 20 miles so far but what used to be noticeable cowl shake over bumps is now just a minor cowl vibration. The whole front end of the car feels more like a German car, just stiff, it goes where you point it without hesitation.
Will post up more long term results as i put more miles on the car.. but i am definitely very impressed so far. I hit a few bumps hard on purpose , ones that used to induce scary amounts of cowl shake, and now what was visible movement just looks like a mild vibration- think of hitting a steel rod with a hammer.
Update-
Been driving around for 5 days now, maybe put about a hundred miles on the car since the Frog Arms were installed..
I have to say- if you are thinking about getting these things, just do it. The front end difference is really amazing! I really was not expecting them to make such a big difference but truly. The front end just feels like it is forged from a single solid piece of metal now, the reduction in cowl shake is quite dramatic, the whole front just feels "connected"..
I would recommend these to anyone!
Been driving around for 5 days now, maybe put about a hundred miles on the car since the Frog Arms were installed..
I have to say- if you are thinking about getting these things, just do it. The front end difference is really amazing! I really was not expecting them to make such a big difference but truly. The front end just feels like it is forged from a single solid piece of metal now, the reduction in cowl shake is quite dramatic, the whole front just feels "connected"..
I would recommend these to anyone!
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06-12-2009, 07:38 PM
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Yes, and its a burnt plate with a few pieces of flat bar welded to it, painted green.
Maybe we could get a 'cheap' version that's not powder coated and doesn't include hardware. With all the crap I've removed from my miata, I have some much freaking hardware in my nuts&bolts drawer that I've begun to throw some of it away.
Maybe we could get a 'cheap' version that's not powder coated and doesn't include hardware. With all the crap I've removed from my miata, I have some much freaking hardware in my nuts&bolts drawer that I've begun to throw some of it away.
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06-12-2009, 07:43 PM
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Talked to John Wag today about frog arms and door bars..
He had just the frog arms on a 1996 and said it made a huge difference, especially over railroad crossings and the such. Cowl shake is eliminated, but suggested the first thing I buy is the door bars. Also door bars clear factory seats very well, but race seats are a lot closer. Several fixed position race seats were mentioned from Corbeau along with Sparco fit without a problem!
I'd actually like to see if we can get the door bars on a group buy, with a separate for the frog arms.. Now that I'm getting some suspension **** together starting to feel a little.... Froggie...
He had just the frog arms on a 1996 and said it made a huge difference, especially over railroad crossings and the such. Cowl shake is eliminated, but suggested the first thing I buy is the door bars. Also door bars clear factory seats very well, but race seats are a lot closer. Several fixed position race seats were mentioned from Corbeau along with Sparco fit without a problem!
I'd actually like to see if we can get the door bars on a group buy, with a separate for the frog arms.. Now that I'm getting some suspension **** together starting to feel a little.... Froggie...
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