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Old 02-11-2014, 02:35 AM   #81
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I think what he's getting at, is that the lug hole is placed very close to the edge. I noticed this too,and wondered if this is a possible failure point. I already placed my order so i hope that this was thought through and my investment is safe in the hands of the FM folks.
Looking at photos of the existing 15x7 Spec Miata Jongbloed wheels, I think it's an optical illusion or a mis-rendering of the bolt holes.



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^ agreed.
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Looking at photos of the existing 15x7 Spec Miata Jongbloed wheels, I think it's an optical illusion or a mis-rendering of the bolt holes.



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This is our, PTS, Jongbloed Spec Miata wheel. As you see the lug nuts holes are properly spaced. Unfortunately computerized renderings can be deceiving. Not intentional, but purely a quick design to give an "idea" of what the wheel will look like.
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This is our, PTS, Jongbloed Spec Miata wheel. As you see the lug nuts holes are properly spaced. Unfortunately computerized renderings can be deceiving. Not intentional, but purely a quick design to give an "idea" of what the wheel will look like.
Well, considering it is a CAD model which reflects REAL x/y/z dimensions, I do not see how or why the latest rendering wouldn't be accurate.

If the rendering shown is in fact wrong, they should not have released it. There are instances where showing 'close enough CAD' is appropriate ... 4 extrude cuts at an accurate spacing is is not one of them.

I'm going to assume Keith's rendering is accurate. Suggesting otherwise is a bit too speculative for my tastes.

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If you look at the original 5x bolt pattern wheel, you can see the lug holes are spaced within the the spokes. Keith suggested that was a CAD rendering for Porsche spacing, meaning it is likely 5x130. Shave 30mm off the lug spacing diameter and you end up with roughly the 4x spacing in the latest render. I highly doubt the holes could be inboard of the spokes such as on the spec wheels. It is, after all, a different design.

Case closed. What you see is more or less what you get.

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looks to me like the 4 stud rendering was done at 4X130 instead of 4X100.
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We're not changing the design at this point. The group buy is over. So everyone who's skeptical of the rendering and deeply offended by the bolt pattern can simply wait until we have pictures of the actual wheels.

On that note - we have updates!

The pricing has changed. And in a good way. The prices are dropping to $189 for a 15x8, $199 for a 15x9 and $219 for a 15x10. Those are the regular retail prices.

Anyone who took part in the group buy will either get the new pricing (which does not include shipping) or the group buy pricing (which does), whichever is less.

The other news: bronze. We're bringing in a limited number of matte bronze wheels in all sizes. They'll be on the website soon to order. If you already have an order in and want to change, give us a call. This is very much a photoshop job based on the term "matte bronze". I put it together just because people like pictures more than reading.

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looks to me like the 4 stud rendering was done at 4X130 instead of 4X100.
Tough to tell. I did a quick overlay in Photoshop since the renderings appear to be done from the same 'camera' settings.

Looks like the 4x pattern is in fact a tighter diameter than the 5x. This said, it is a photoshop job and definitely not calibrated.



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Any updates on BBK clearance?
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I have been told that they will clear all the brakes, although I have not physically confirmed that with a wheel. The Trackspeed 11.75 kit was not checked, I'm not sure that data was sent to Jongbloed in the initial communications. However, looking at the design of the wheel I think we're in good shape.
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Tough to tell. I did a quick overlay in Photoshop since the renderings appear to be done from the same 'camera' settings.

Looks like the 4x pattern is in fact a tighter diameter than the 5x. This said, it is a photoshop job and definitely not calibrated.



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Thats not what I am seeing looks like the two renderings have the same bolt circle and the center hole on the4 hole seems really large compared to other typical 4/100wheels. I think the rendering is not correct.

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Thats not what I am seeing looks like the two renderings have the same bolt circle and the center hole on the 4X100 seems really large compared to other typical 4/100wheels.
There is the magic.

To get a cast 4x100 wheel this size as light as the market wants without forging requires building it for the max load rating of 4x100 only. Try to broaden the use of the tooling by adding pad material for 5x130 (Porsche) and you also have to add material elsewhere for that bolt patterns higher max load rating.

We were the first to make a 4x100 only 15" wheel design to get the weight down. Most of the wheel companies using the fitments we developed have figured this out. The rendering with the small hub pad shows a 4x100 only wheel. If it ends up with the small hub, I would assume its to meet a weight target.

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I assume the face concavity will be different between the 3 widths? And the rendering is of the 15x10?
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A new drawing is forthcoming -

Stay Tuned!!
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In for CGI 5UL
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Keith are you guys planning on at least matching the $199 with free shipping pricing for the 15x9 that another vendor is giving on these wheels for the group buy participants?
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That was the group buy price. We will honor it OR the new pricing, whichever is lower. I suspect that the current pricing is actually going to cost less.
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That was the group buy price. We will honor it OR the new pricing, whichever is lower. I suspect that the current pricing is actually going to cost less.
The email from Bill says: "When the wheels come in, we will bill you either: New price plus shipping or GB price with free shipping, whichever works out to be less for you."

New price ($199) + shipping: Approx $860
GB Price ($219) with free shipping: Approx $880

The problem is the other vendor is giving a better deal:

Other vendor's price ($199) with free shipping: $800
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Gotta love price wars on a low-volume specialty product that has yet to be delivered. Make your choice based on who's been giving you the most information and been working hardest to bring these to market - or to save a couple of bucks. Your call.
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As early adopters that helped you make it possible by placing orders, we'd like to be thought of as partners or at least good customers, not bitches.

Your call.
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