AEM Infinity for Miata
How many people are interested in a Miata PnP AEM Infinity 8 ECU kit?
VE based tuning using airflow calculation models Flex fuel compensation Multi fuel strategy Dual internal wideband controllers Data logs 100 channels at up to 1KHz Data logging playback with controls synchronization Up to 12 peak and hold injector drivers Up to 12 (0-5V) ignition outputs (igniter required) Up to 6 analog temp inputs Up to 17 analog voltage inputs Two knock inputs Up to 8 digital inputs Up to 6 VR/Mag inputs Up to 13 configurable outputs One stepper control 129 pin, fully sealed ECU enclosure and IP67 spec connectors Infinity Stand-Alone Programmable Engine Management System - Wideband O2 UEGO, Water/Methanol, Stand Alone Engine Management, Piggyback F/IC, Tru Boost Controller, Gauges, Automotive Performance Electronics This can be general Infinity discussion thread as well.. EB Turbo |
Is this going to be plug and play
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I mean is it going to have basemaps
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We've been talking to AEM about a PnP Infinity setup for several months now. It will happen eventually, but not soon. IIRC they haven't done a full release of the 12/10/8 boxes yet.
Needless to say, it's going to have features that no other Miata box on the market has today. :) |
I wouldnt want an infinity setup to be PnP. Its powerful enough that I want completely control of how its wired so that I can use it to its fullest ability.
And you have to think, any PnP infinity setup is going to be ~$3k. How many people are going to put a $3k ecu into their $4k car? |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1019090)
I wouldnt want an infinity setup to be PnP. Its powerful enough that I want completely control of how its wired so that I can use it to its fullest ability.
And you have to think, any PnP infinity setup is going to be ~$3k. How many people are going to put a $3k ecu into their $4k car? A PnP setup wouldn't be I/O limited like the EMS-4 - there will be plenty of additional I/Os available to add whatever you want, or build your own harness straight from the pins. The abilities of this box kind of blew me away when I first started talking with AEM about it. |
Damn, i mean, it looks and sounds amazing... but, that price... obviously im not in their target range... but that is soooo high regardless... when it comes out, anyone who runs it, PLEASE keep us updated. im really curious about it, even though, i wont be buying one, just due to price, and the fact that i dont NEED it with my setup, and daily driving.
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This may seem like a stupid question.... but what's really groundbreaking about this when applied to the Miata platform and it's stone age simple motor?
Besides the awesome datalogging, that is. I mean, are there sensors and injection options that we can't accurately and sufficiently control today with Megasquirt, Hydra, or anything else in that same sort of category? I understand that AEM Infinity is the greatest thing since i figured out that my penis slotted pretty nicely into the palm of my hand, but what does that mean for the Miata in particular? Or is this just a big step forward purely in the areas of datalogging and interfacing? |
Originally Posted by BestBritishSportsCar
(Post 1019070)
I mean is it going to have basemaps
Is this going to be plug and play
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1019088)
We've been talking to AEM about a PnP Infinity setup for several months now. It will happen eventually, but not soon. IIRC they haven't done a full release of the 12/10/8 boxes yet.
Needless to say, it's going to have features that no other Miata box on the market has today. :)
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1019090)
I wouldnt want an infinity setup to be PnP. Its powerful enough that I want completely control of how its wired so that I can use it to its fullest ability.
And you have to think, any PnP infinity setup is going to be ~$3k. How many people are going to put a $3k ecu into their $4k car?
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1019094)
$3k is a high number. It won't be much cheaper than that, but it will be a bit cheaper. If you compare it to a Hydra, it's going to have a vastly superior feature-set at a slightly higher price. If you're still in the mindset of "why would I spend $3k on a $4k car", then you're not this product's target customer :)
A PnP setup wouldn't be I/O limited like the EMS-4 - there will be plenty of additional I/Os available to add whatever you want, or build your own harness straight from the pins. The abilities of this box kind of blew me away when I first started talking with AEM about it. The Infinity has almost the same I/Os as an optioned MoTeC M800($7k+) for just a bit more than the base M84($2.3k-$3k). Put that into prospective. This is a no brianer investment for those with big horsepower or those that have a lot invested in their car. It goes a lot past control. Reliability, Engine protection, logging, 3rd party data output.. The Investment is well worth it. EB Turbo |
I'm not sure how much less than 3k you'll get it since the cheapest "Special price" infinity retail is ~2650 and the basic harness retails ~170, you've also got labor to wire the harness so your profit margin is basically the difference between your wholesale cost of the materials and their retail price, whatever that is.
The infinity is certainly a super capable ecu. The backup cpu could be a life saver for enduro cars if it works like I think it does. Out of the whole feature set the most interesting thing to me is having 2 h bridge drivers and native DBW support. Which would let me do dirty dirty things on a turbo car, IF i had true full control. If the software and firmware are like other AEM applications I wont have that full control. And if the firmware is like normal AEM I'm not expecting them to take full advantage of that processor, not even close. I'm sure they'll sure high utilization of it, but thats just because their code is junk. When I asked them to add VE support to the EMS4 they said they didnt have the processor overhead for it. Which is bullcrap, how does it work on that garbage processor and crummy code on the MS1, or the Haltech Sport 2000 that has the same clock speed, or OEM's ecus with 1/4 the clock speed. Ad there's other things to consider. To get that sort of feature set compared to a motec of twice the price, what did they have to skimp on? The EMS4 is very obviously missing a lot of software features and it seems to be missing any sort of filtering on all of its inputs. Especially a big deal on crank and cam signals, but its no small thing on TPS and MAP too. I will give AEM that they are really really trying to pull down the Big boys, this ecu does have a $4k feature set, just like the EMS4 has a $2k feature set. Hopefully and another year or two we'll get a response from Motec and Haltech. Or even now with MS coming out with a legit looking ECU with the MS3Pro, which almost looks like it came out to be a direct competitor with the infinity if you put both spec sheets next to each other. |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1019103)
This may seem like a stupid question.... but what's really groundbreaking about this when applied to the Miata platform and it's stone age simple motor?
Besides the awesome datalogging, that is. I mean, are there sensors and injection options that we can't accurately and sufficiently control today with Megasquirt, Hydra, or anything else in that same sort of category? I understand that AEM Infinity is the greatest thing since i figured out that my penis slotted pretty nicely into the palm of my hand, but what does that mean for the Miata in particular? Or is this just a big step forward purely in the areas of datalogging and interfacing? There are other things, of course - fuel pressure and oil pressure failsafes, injector lag times adjusted based on fuel pressure, VE tables compensated for fuel pressure (saves a motor from instadeath if you lose an FPR or a slowly dying fuel pump), massively powerful EBC (think user-selectable axes on the base duty and error tables), and lots of stuff I can't recite off the top of my head. It's a big step forward.
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1019111)
I'm not sure how much less than 3k you'll get it since the cheapest "Special price" infinity retail is ~2650 and the basic harness retails ~170, you've also got labor to wire the harness so your profit margin is basically the difference between your wholesale cost of the materials and their retail price, whatever that is.
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Originally Posted by EB Turbo
(Post 1019026)
How many people are interested in a Miata PnP AEM Infinity 8 ECU kit?
VE based tuning using airflow calculation models Flex fuel compensation Multi fuel strategy Dual internal wideband controllers Data logs 100 channels at up to 1KHz Data logging playback with controls synchronization Up to 12 peak and hold injector drivers Up to 12 (0-5V) ignition outputs (igniter required) Up to 6 analog temp inputs Up to 17 analog voltage inputs Two knock inputs Up to 8 digital inputs Up to 6 VR/Mag inputs Up to 13 configurable outputs One stepper control 129 pin, fully sealed ECU enclosure and IP67 spec connectors Infinity Stand-Alone Programmable Engine Management System - Wideband O2 UEGO, Water/Methanol, Stand Alone Engine Management, Piggyback F/IC, Tru Boost Controller, Gauges, Automotive Performance Electronics This can be general Infinity discussion thread as well.. EB Turbo |
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1019120)
Who are you EB Turbo? Have you put in to become a sponsor on mt.net? If not before you talk about making and selling PNP AEM systems on here we ask that you become a sponsor before we disrespect your famiry.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1019112)
The two I'm most excited about are the integrations between flex fuel and boost control (two fully configurable maps which would allow you to not only retain TPS-based boost control, but also increase boost automatically based on ethanol content) and wheel speed based traction control (ECU looks at wheel speed differential and cuts out injector cycle, much like the Racelogic boxes do). Integrated traction control would make high-WHP cars infinitely more usable on the street, and making that kind of functionality plug-and-play will be a huge plus for guys who want big, easy power.
There are other things, of course - fuel pressure and oil pressure failsafes, injector lag times adjusted based on fuel pressure, VE tables compensated for fuel pressure (saves a motor from instadeath if you lose an FPR or a slowly dying fuel pump), massively powerful EBC (think user-selectable axes on the base duty and error tables), and lots of stuff I can't recite off the top of my head. It's a big step forward. Integrated traction control is already available on a few ECUs on the market. I guess the difference will be shown in how easy it is to configure and/or how well it works. (Hydra in theory, Syvecs, etc) I dig the flex fuel/boost map. You make it sound like it may be the next step from the solutions already on the market. :) |
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1019120)
Who are you EB Turbo? Have you put in to become a sponsor on mt.net? If not before you talk about making and selling PNP AEM systems on here we ask that you become a sponsor.
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1019137)
I like the compensation for fuel pressure and such... so it seems like failsafes are a big part of it. (which is something i've liked about their meth controllers.)
Integrated traction control is already available on a few ECUs on the market. I guess the difference will be shown in how easy it is to configure and/or how well it works. (Hydra in theory, Syvecs, etc) I dig the flex fuel/boost map. You make it sound like it may be the next step from the solutions already on the market. :) EB Turbo |
Since you seem to be on the inside.... explain in more detail why the flex fuel/boost map thing is better than other flex fuel solutions on the market.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1019111)
I'm not sure how much less than 3k you'll get it since the cheapest "Special price" infinity retail is ~2650 and the basic harness retails ~170, you've also got labor to wire the harness so your profit margin is basically the difference between your wholesale cost of the materials and their retail price, whatever that is.
Out of the whole feature set the most interesting thing to me is having 2 h bridge drivers and native DBW support. Which would let me do dirty dirty things on a turbo car, IF i had true full control. If the software and firmware are like other AEM applications I wont have that full control. And if the firmware is like normal AEM I'm not expecting them to take full advantage of that processor, not even close. I'm sure they'll sure high utilization of it, but thats just because their code is junk. When I asked them to add VE support to the EMS4 they said they didnt have the processor overhead for it. Which is bullcrap, how does it work on that garbage processor and crummy code on the MS1, or the Haltech Sport 2000 that has the same clock speed, or OEM's ecus with 1/4 the clock speed. Ad there's other things to consider. To get that sort of feature set compared to a motec of twice the price, what did they have to skimp on? The EMS4 is very obviously missing a lot of software features and it seems to be missing any sort of filtering on all of its inputs. Especially a big deal on crank and cam signals, but its no small thing on TPS and MAP too. I will give AEM that they are really really trying to pull down the Big boys, this ecu does have a $4k feature set, just like the EMS4 has a $2k feature set. Hopefully and another year or two we'll get a response from Motec and Haltech. Or even now with MS coming out with a legit looking ECU with the MS3Pro, which almost looks like it came out to be a direct competitor with the infinity if you put both spec sheets next to each other. EB Turbo |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1019142)
Since you seem to be on the inside.... explain in more detail why the flex fuel/boost map thing is better than other flex fuel solutions on the market.
EB Turbo |
I'm not smart enough for tables. I need words and examples vs how flex fuel works on Hydra, Megasquirt, or Haltech for example.
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