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clearly no UAT went into developing that application.
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Yeah, while pretty cool for sure, the stuff you're talking about would only really be relevant for a proper race team/racer, or someone super nerdy doing some really out of the box things......like you :)
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1379923)
clearly no UAT went into developing that application.
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I still shudder when I remember WARI :laugh:
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1379924)
...would only really be relevant for a proper race team/racer, or someone super nerdy doing some really out of the box things......like you :)
One thing I actually need to get done is to get the VVT trigger pattern added. Currently one of the limitations of Infinity is that it offers little configuration for trigger patterns. And its a bit retarded. https://enginelab.net/documentation/...escription_EAL https://enginelab.net/help/img/confi...escription.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...86bc59f4f5.png |
Originally Posted by soviet
(Post 1379969)
I bet if Miata + Infinity was well documented, more people would do it.
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Originally Posted by soviet
(Post 1379969)
But I bet if Miata + Infinity was well documented, more people would do it.
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1k? some of the jokers here can't handle $500 and spend $350 on AIDz
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Originally Posted by soviet
(Post 1379969)
I bet that a lot of OEMs do it. It is true that most people want plug and play. But I bet if Miata + Infinity was well documented, more people would do it.
One thing I actually need to get done is to get the VVT trigger pattern added. Currently one of the limitations of Infinity is that it offers little configuration for trigger patterns. And its a bit retarded. https://enginelab.net/documentation/...escription_EAL https://enginelab.net/help/img/confi...escription.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...86bc59f4f5.png |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1380121)
MS is like that. Thats now my only complaint of the squirt now that you can buy the pro with real connectors on it. That you cant just define the fucking triggers like an adult, you need daddy DIYat to hold your hand.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1379937)
If you've never had the pleasure of AEMPro, or Hydra 2.5/2.6, or god forbid WARI, then sure, but they make ELConsole/InfinityTuner look downright usable :)
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1379988)
You forget that we are all really cheap. $3k ecu's probably are not what most of us want. Most of us bitch about $1k ecu's.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...baaeeba643.png I was going to get the 5 series but the 7 series was on sale, so..... |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1380170)
On the contrary, if you really are an adult, with the MS you can code your own engine decoder because you have the source, like I have done for many different engines.
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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1380170)
On the contrary, if you really are an adult, with the MS you can code your own engine decoder because you have the source, like I have done for many different engines.
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:dealwithit:
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Finally got access to engine lab firmware.
Here it is showing all 12 injector outputs. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b8b5445508.png |
I've been down this path with EL/AEM stuff before. EL is a blank slate. When you buy their ECU, you get a box and nothing else. And actually, all the ECU's are manufactured by AEM - EL doesn't manufacture their hardware. They just resell what AEM makes.
The firmware doesn't do anything - it's the models that actually make it function like an engine management system or whatever else you want to develop it as. It's great that you've unlocked "the secret" that all the boxes are the same but unless you develop your own models, you can't make use of any extra I/O. So you're going to lose all the functionality of the Infinity system and everything that makes it awesome. You better be pretty bad ass at system controls development if you think you're going to make your own controls models. AEM has done a pretty good job of locking things down. Like you've found, their wizard is just an in-between for the user and things working in the background. The wizard is actually AEM-specific and it's not a function of EL but it's what streamlines setting up and running the models. If you create new models, you won't be able to use the AEM wizard but if you're able to make your own models, I guess you can probably also make your own wizard but that's a lot of work. If you ask me, you've delving into something that 98% of average EMS users don't and won't care about. The 2% of guys like us that can and do make their own controls stuff might be interested in this, but a $3000 development box is a tough pill to swallow for cheap ass Miata guys. What is it that you think you're gaining doing all this? The EL documentation is to support model development and has nothing to do with actually running an engine. AEM built all the models that actually make the EL system an engine management system and their documentation is written so that end users can use it as an EMS, not develop models. AEM doesn't sell a dev box - that's EL business. So you're basically taking all the engineering work that AEM put into the system and throwing it out the window. Sounds like a great place to start. To be honest, you're not really uncovering anything new. The EL site has been up forever and so has their documentation. All anyone has had to do is find it and read it. |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1377298)
I've watched engines kill themselves over a bug in the Infinity, which to my knowledge, is still unresolved. There's another bug that causes the ECU to lockup, and because the ECU also has battery power on it, you need to disconnect the battery for it to recover. A significant feature of the ECU only works if you connect it to a hardcoded input. Another significant feature (much needed in the drag racing scene) would randomly completely shutdown one or two cylinders on a 5+ cylinder engine, and had gone unresolved for 4 years.
Also, the AEM support stuff are pretty pathetic. I was once called in to solve a non-starting car (it was on a freshly installed AEM EMS-4). The car would not get initial sync on a 60-2 trigger wheel. It would calculate RPM every now and then but it would not get a constant sync. For giggles, I brought a Universal MS3 in, connected power, ground and signal. It would also not sync. I watched the composite log, and measure 59 teeth instead of 58. I counted at least two more times, 59 every time. So I entered 60-1 in the TS settings, and sure enough, it synced perfectly. The AEM tuner emailed AEM, and - you better believe this - this is their answer (to the best of my memory as it was couple of years ago): This can't be a 60-1 wheel because we have never seen one before. There is probably some other error, and the MS ECU is only able to sync up with a 60-1 setting because there are too many teeth and the MS has a slow processor, so entering more teeth somehow compensates for that. No solution was given or any idea as to why the EMS-4 is not syncing. The customer ended up removing a tooth as the EMS-4 doesn't have configurable generic missing tooth wheel settings. |
You raise some good points so I will answer them
I think that the hardware is the best of any other ECU, but I am not happy with AEM approach of locking the model down, hardcoding inputs/outputs, restricting to Bosch 4.2 LSU and generally sandbagging the whole thing. I see a lot of potential in the hardware and I want to take advantage of it. Everything you said is correct. I am starting from scratch. I do have to write a complete model from nothing. Luckly I am fairly competent with software (it's my profession) and I am good at figuring out things. I think people will follow down this path once I lay the ground work. The model will be difficult but it is possible to get... inspiration from the AEM models. I don't want to copy too many things because it is their property after all. Worst case scenario I will fail at making my own model and will run AEM models/firmware. The $3000 number that is thrown around is moot. The hardware is same, so its ~2300 for Infinty 7 or ~1250 for Infinity 5. The approach I'm taking should be applicable to both. At 1250 Infinity 5 is pretty competitive, especially if you think about what's possible. Why I chose this route
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Subbed for info on something I'll never do but want to read about anyway.
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