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cordycord 05-29-2013 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Handy Man (Post 1016276)
Like Blackbird said, EP cars have been doing similar setups for a while... but since you asked, here is the original thread from when I did mine back in 2011, it was the first non-EP Miata with one that I know of: https://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep...ducting-60291/

MAD MAX meets Miata!!! I like! :)

njn63 05-29-2013 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1015900)
Just use 4 bolts under the hood for the bumper, and cut the point out where it bolts to the fender and replace it with a quick latch like thing. Something like these but smaller theres plenty of options.

I used 4 dzus fasteners along the top edge and then one on each corner with these brackets attached to the fender. Has held up that way for 2 seasons but it's just the bumper skin.

Pictures:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369870851
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369870851

1993ka24det 06-01-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by njn63 (Post 1016396)
I used 4 dzus fasteners along the top edge and then one on each corner with these brackets attached to the fender. Has held up that way for 2 seasons but it's just the bumper skin.

Pictures:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369870851
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369870851

I will be working on the same idea, but a tube frame for the bumper supports. The radiator for the engine swap will be moved from the stock 8 deg angle to 30-35 deg angle. There will be a radiator duct exiting out through the hood. Here is a close pic to what I will be working on in a month.


AMS Evo X Hood Radiator Vent
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370134596

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370134596

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps5bca97d3.jpg

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triple88a 06-01-2013 10:23 PM

Why is the hole not a gaping hole?

1993ka24det 06-01-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1017269)
Why is the hole not a gaping hole?

I think its because there is an engine in the way..lol

Its kinda making a wing shape with the top of the hood and the top portion of the Radi duct.

I talked to Paul (plucas) about it and he recommended a low resistance flow radiator

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370143040

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370143040

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370143040

triple88a 06-01-2013 11:17 PM

I'm referring to the hole in the front in front of the intercooler.


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370134596

1993ka24det 06-01-2013 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1017275)
I'm referring to the hole in the front in front of the intercooler.


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370134596

I think it was in the book Maximum Boost that talked about when making a duct to go to the radiator or intercooler has to be 20%-30% smaller than the surface area of the heat exchanger. I guess it is to draw the air in, instead of force it in with drag on the car.

nitrodann 06-01-2013 11:36 PM

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triple post please delete

nitrodann 06-01-2013 11:42 PM

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nitrodann 06-01-2013 11:44 PM

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Finally took this out,

Monster grip, very very stable.

Happy days.

Turbo setup held up good also.

In, passed scrutineering no hastles, drop the tyre pressures on the slicks, check, double check, triple check.

Out for qualifying, first lap out, first time down the straight the splitter failed.

I tested it to about 150kg jumping on it so I was amazed, when he came in a quick check showed that it generated so much downforce it tore chunks of steel out of the bodywork!

http://s24.postimg.org/nnalzjlyt/20130601_104609.jpg

Here is a piece I retrieved from the other side.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370144644

Its held on with 6 bolts and only the front 2 had issues, so lesson learned, the splitter is way way more efficient than Id even hoped so it was remounted with a temporary but strong solution. So great news about the front aero design, also looks like the cooling issues the car has always had have been solved with these recent changes.

Here is the excel series and the pulsar series in together.

And a few pics from the field.
http://s24.postimg.org/52qz67px1/20130601_095653.jpg

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370144644

http://s24.postimg.org/ka6yqkhrp/20130601_121029.jpg



Dann

1993ka24det 06-02-2013 12:05 AM

OK so a triple post but that is a good looking track Miata. I mounted my splitter to a steel structure that bolts to the factory bumper bulges (bumper bulges been removed)

nitrodann 06-02-2013 12:07 AM

Fuck me, can someone please fix the TP.

I didnt realise, I was having trouble with firefox, using chrome now, swore I never would.

Thankyou mate, this was remounted using the factory weld nuts you can see in the first photo.

Thanks
Dann

nitrodann 06-02-2013 12:15 AM

Also the hole has to be smaller than the surface area of a cooler because if the coollers frontal area is 50% metal, 50% air holes then it will only flow 50% of its area wont it.

Dann

triple88a 06-02-2013 12:19 AM

Oh i see. Well you learn something everyday. I always thought you wanted more pressure in there.

nitrodann 06-02-2013 12:24 AM

No it doesnt need to be smaller but thats why it can be, My apologies.

Im fairly certain making it larger doesnt do anything because there isnt more pressure just a boundary layer.

Dann

mr_hyde 06-02-2013 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by Handy Man (Post 1016276)
Like Blackbird said, EP cars have been doing similar setups for a while... but since you asked, here is the original thread from when I did mine back in 2011, it was the first non-EP Miata with one that I know of: https://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep...ducting-60291/

Your thread was my inspiration to build mine. :party:

lightyear 06-02-2013 06:23 AM

Nice work Dann.

nitrodann 06-02-2013 06:40 AM

:)

You are a LOT of my inspiration Dave.

Dann

Handy Man 06-02-2013 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by mr_hyde (Post 1017313)
Your thread was my inspiration to build mine. :party:

Awesome :bigtu:

Regarding the heat exchanger intake area: The reason you want the intake area to be about 1/3 of the frontal area of the heat exchanger is due to bernulli's principle. The efficiency of a heat exchanger is affected by the pressure differential across it. Bernulli says that when velocity decreases pressure increases. So if we have a small opening with ducting that opens up behind it, the velocity will decrease as the cross sectional area of the ducting increases and it will create a higher pressure in front of the heat exchanger.

Regarding your torn out splitter mounting points: why not use those nice reinforced threaded holes just above the holes you used? Thats what I've used to support my similarly sized splitter for years without any problems.

nitrodann 06-03-2013 03:40 AM

Thats what I ended up doing..

i dunno..

I dunno.

Anyway lesson learned and thats the important part.

Dann


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