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Originally Posted by krazykarl
(Post 1021547)
You'll probably get more benefit with more than stock power, since you'll need more power to get past the added drag from a wing, and the aero stuff make more of a difference the faster you're going.
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Originally Posted by mx5autoxer
(Post 1021528)
On another note, I haven't actually gotten to mess around with aero much on track. I really enjoy the aero aspect of going faster and I want to play with just aero for a while. I was thinking of going back to completely stock (or maybe getting another, stock Miata) and using aero only to start dropping lap times. My question is, will stock tires and suspension components interfere with aero testing or make tweaks more apparent?
If you're looking to seriously play with aero you're going to run out of suspension very quickly, and modded suspension without race tires has it's limits. My advice would be to sort out the mechanical grip on a stock powered car and than add aero. You'll need to keep playing with the suspension the more aero grip you get.
Originally Posted by krazykarl
(Post 1021547)
You'll probably get more benefit with more than stock power, since you'll need more power to get past the added drag from a wing, and the aero stuff make more of a difference the faster you're going.
You don't need more power to overcome the drag, a properly designed aero package pays big dividends in cornering speeds and will lower lap times even with stock power. Moti |
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I've always wondered why I don't see a tail like this.
Aerocivic - Honda Civic modifications for maximum gas mileage - aerocivic.com https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371155722 |
Originally Posted by Blackbird
(Post 1021556)
While it's obvious that aero does more as speed increases, the notion in this post is the age long myth.
You don't need more power to overcome the drag, a properly designed aero package pays big dividends in cornering speeds and will lower lap times even with stock power. Moti Aero obviously helps no matter how fast you're going, otherwise those solar powered cars that only go 10 mph would just be silly looking for no reason at all. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1021551)
I'd rather have my DRS on a button for the straight.
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Originally Posted by Dot3
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I've always wondered why I don't see a tail like this.
Aerocivic - Honda Civic modifications for maximum gas mileage - aerocivic.com https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371163451 |
Originally Posted by mr_hyde
(Post 1021572)
The only good, simple way to do this is to set up the car for the right amount downforce around the track and then have a button or other easy driver controlled input to drop the AOA for minimal drag in a straight line. On most tracks, there are at least 3 or 4 places you are accelerating for at least a few seconds without the need for extra downforce or complicated steering inputs. A radio button on the wheel would be the way to go.
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One thing no one is mentioning, is how good of a driver you would have to be to handle active aero. Driving a regular high downforce car is hard enough, with varying amounts of grip at varying speeds... let along when the amount of downforce is constantly changing.
Like rharris said, I bet we would all be faster with just plain static wings. |
Originally Posted by Handy Man
(Post 1021638)
One thing no one is mentioning, is how good of a driver you would have to be to handle active aero. Driving a regular high downforce car is hard enough, with varying amounts of grip at varying speeds... let along when the amount of downforce is constantly changing.
Like rharris said, I bet we would all be faster with just plain static wings. |
Originally Posted by triple88a
(Post 1021642)
Assuming you're doing it your self that would be harder, if its all automatic i dont see the problem.
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And the Kings of Aerodynamics
I always wanted the Red Bull X1 since the first time I saw it Go Red Bull Racing (Vettel and Webber) Thank you Adrian Newey for this piece of art https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371175678 |
Originally Posted by Handy Man
(Post 1021638)
I bet we would all be faster with just plain static wings.
If you made the most primitive DRS, dropping the wing angle only in straights where no downforce is needed, there is no reason why you wouldn't shave some lap time. Moti |
If you want a little better detail about the most aerodynamic car, this is a cool app I just down loaded
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1021643)
It seems to make gods out of men in the few supercars with it.
Originally Posted by JSpeed6
(Post 1009314)
that didn't help the Veyron that bounced off the tire wall in phoenix a few weeks ago haha
I was working that event. while I don't advise ANY cornerworker taking their eyes off a cornerstation while working, there were only 3 cars on track so I managed to snap a few pictures. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367893215 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367893215 |
After incident. Notice what type of active aero Veyrons use.
Originally Posted by emilio700
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Originally Posted by Blackbird
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I'd have to disagree with that.
If you made the most primitive DRS, dropping the wing angle only in straights where no downforce is needed, there is no reason why you wouldn't shave some lap time. Moti |
Originally Posted by Handy Man
(Post 1021856)
Good point. I should revise my post to specify active aero under braking or cornering.
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One thing I have been thinking of since the Red Bull X2010 came out, why doesn't the front wings move?
I was reading about how the front tires on a F1 car will go from 100% grip in a straight line to 20% when taking a corner (of course it would be the inside tire of the corner). So why not run the front wing on each side be controlled by the steering rack. The front wing on the X2010 or Miata would only need to move a few degs (maybe 3-5). |
That's what the W duct is for.
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