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Old 04-23-2009, 09:15 PM   #41
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Corky tells me it cannot be copied completely. Internally, on the spacers, is a fuel reservoir. It will hold the fuel available for when needed with for the next pulse.
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Bullshit, everything can be copied!

Anyways, I'll disagree to a certain extent on the 'ease of copy' reply but it doesn't really matter, you guys will sell it cheap enough to keep anyone from trying. Reservoir? You mean the ID of the metal tube spacer is larger than the ID of the hose I guess. Nice margarita marketing but at 80% duty cycle & 7000rpm that's not much time for the "reservoir" to fill...those lines best flow enough with or without a "reservoir". I'm guessing they will.

But what does matter is...why is this better if you can fit a larger fuel rail? You didn't answer that part.

I'd run it just cause it's different and looks trick even though it may not be better than what's already out there.
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She didn't say it was better than a large bore rail, she said that it was necessary to relocate the fuel rail due to a new supercharger set up.
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Old 04-23-2009, 09:33 PM   #43
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She didn't say it was better than a large bore rail, she said that it was necessary to relocate the fuel rail due to a new supercharger set up.
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Tim and Corky's latest creation. It came from needing to move the fuel rail for the supercharger system that we are about to start work on. It is designed to be the best fuel delivery system out there.


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I guess your (Ben) definition of "best" with respect to fuel rails differs from mine. I think the best fuel rail should in theory flow more than the others, or perhaps doesn't heat up the fuel as much.

Stephanie, what do you mean by "best"?

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She didn't say it was better than a large bore rail, she said that it was necessary to relocate the fuel rail due to a new supercharger set up.
Actually, she did say it was better...infact the best one out there.

One positive effect of this is that the fuel could be kept cooler if the aluminum block is insulated properly.

Believe it or not I was planning a similar layout of individual plumbing to the injectors for my machine...nice to see it done.
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I personally like the idea of being able to run the fuel lines from a remote location in the engine bay to the injectors... Guess we will see how this works when they test it out.
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Forgive me for pointing out the obvious here, but it is "DESIGNED" to be the best. I did not say it was a final product, and the best one available. Tim and mrtonyg are misinterpreting. That may be your spin of what I said, but that is not what was intended. That means that issues may be found that need to be addressed, etc... Will it be better that a dual feed, larger bore? Do not know yet. What about a larger fuel pump? Do not know yet. Flow testing will determine that.

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Forgive me for pointing out the obvious here, but it is "DESIGNED" to be the best. I did not say it was a final product, and the best one available. Tim and mrtonyg are misinterpreting. That may be your spin of what I said, but that is not what was intended. That means that issues may be found that need to be addressed, etc... Will it be better that a dual feed, larger bore? Do not know yet. What about a larger fuel pump? Do not know yet. Flow testing will determine that.

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Ok, so what about the design is supposed to make this better than the existing fuel rail solutions already available? Aside from the packaging, which depending on your needs could be a large improvement.

If someone posted a picture of a laptop saying it was designed to be the best laptop currently available, people would expect a laundry list of improvements and innovations to back up the design claim, especially in the absence of performance data. This is no different is it?

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Sorry if it sounds like I'm busting your *****. Forgive me for asking what about the design makes it the best. I know you are not the one who designed it and are just typing what the others there (Tim/Corky?) tell you to.

If it is "designed" to be the best, then logically the designer designed something about it in order to make it the best. What about this was "designed" to be better than other fuel rails? A "reservoir" above each injector? In a regular fuel rail the fuel rail is a reservior. Balanced flow? Yeah ok maybe. Cooler fuel? Probably. Either of the last two would be acceptable answers to me.

I imagine in reality it was designed to allow fuel to get to the injectors when a regular fuel rail didn't fit, and at the time the idea that it would be the "best fuel rail" had nothing to do with the design.

Yes, ultimately actual measured data would prove the design is better or not.
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i'm not really getting it, instead of reinventing the fuel rail with way more points of failure and more expense....why not modify your supercharger design to allow the use of the existing rail? unless it's just not possible for some reason?
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We are using a larger supercharger. It is not possible.

As for re-inventing the fuel rail, the expense part is negligible, as it will not be that expensive. Cheaper than if you go buy any aftermarket fuel rail. Points of failure is dependant upon installer. Let's be honest here, how many people have actually busted a fuel line on their car? I'd wager there are not many...
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Awaiting flow characteristics...
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As for re-inventing the fuel rail, the expense part is negligible, as it will not be that expensive. Cheaper than if you go buy any aftermarket fuel rail.
So this is going to be a sub $200 solution?
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Stephanie - Care to share any more information on the new SC system and what if any worthwhile upgrades may be available for existing MOAB cars
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We are using a larger supercharger.
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Big supercharger picture....
Wonder what the parasitic loss is on that one.....
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We are using a larger supercharger. It is not possible.
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You can't say that then leave us/me hanging, spill it....
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So this is going to be a sub $200 solution?
That is the plan.
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You can't say that then leave us/me hanging, spill it....
I will post a new article in the current projects section of the BEGI website. Give me a few days to gather photos of what has been done.
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in for results! this is a cool piece!
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