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dleavitt 07-04-2016 10:43 AM

Most expensive TNIA build in the world...EFR INBOUND
 
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Now that I'm actually going to start really working on my car, I figured it was about time for a build thread. My car is a 1995 base model, here it is right after I bought it in November of 2014:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1467654680



Save for the wheels, it was 100% stock. Including the 140k mile suspension and super-ratty top. Clearly those needed to be fixed, so a new top and FM Tokico 2.5 package were the first things on the list. Purchased and installed in December 2014. Also got some wheels and tires off a local Miata owner upgrading to 6ULs. Pic from my first autocross:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1467654680



Unfortunately, that's all I've gotten done so far. I got in a little over my head with another Miata-related project: a 1991 BRG. Got it for cheap, and took off and sold the aftermarket parts and put stock parts back on. Then my daughter was born prematurely, and last summer went all to hell. In the mean time I decided I wanted to take a decidedly more track-oriented direction with my build and have been accumulating parts since then. First up was a roll bar:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1467654680Here being examined by my lovely assistant.

I also picked up an MS3Basic, wideband, VVT head, and TSE oil cooler. The plan is to get the TSE turbo kit once it is all complete. Until now I've only had a pile of parts, but today I'm going to get started installing and tuning the MS3. Having never done any electrical/wiring projects in my life, I'm sure it will be quite the experience. Brace yourselves for n00bish questions.

dleavitt 07-04-2016 11:22 AM

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Attachment 175959

It begins.

aidandj 07-04-2016 11:30 AM

Pics are broken.

Hit me up on facebook if you have any questions today, i'm free all day.

dleavitt 07-04-2016 11:38 AM

Pics in the first post looks okay to me, used the site upload tool. Second post showed up as an attachment. Guess I haven't figured out the mobile app yet.

Thanks for offering to help Aiden! I do not doubt I'll be taking you up on that offer. I also appreciated your heads-up regarding the connectors, heat shrink, and crimper.

18psi 07-04-2016 12:31 PM

pics dont work

dleavitt 07-04-2016 12:33 PM

Far be it from me to disagree with 18psi. I'll look into it after I can't get my car to start, lol.

18psi 07-04-2016 12:39 PM

lol its probably the site acting up again. just re-upload when you have a chance. I always love reading an efr build thread

dleavitt 07-04-2016 02:03 PM

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Pics should be fixed now.

Getting ready to wire in everything. Plugged in the ECU for kicks:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1467655424Hmmmm....

Please tell me that center plug is meant to be empty.:noes:

aidandj 07-04-2016 02:04 PM

On a 95 yes. Later years used the middle plug.

dleavitt 07-04-2016 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1343555)
On a 95 yes. Later years used the middle plug.

Thanks! I was concerned there for a second.

dleavitt 07-04-2016 04:53 PM

Sitrep: oem ecu removed, wideband mounted, and vacuum line ran. To do: remove narrowband sensor in exhaust, install wideband sensor, and wire up to Megasquirt.

My status as the least efficient mechanic known to man remains unchanged.

Braineack 07-04-2016 05:30 PM

I see no TSE or EFR...

dleavitt 07-04-2016 05:37 PM

Didn't get in on the group buy, so waiting for Andrew to finish up the whole kit.

Braineack 07-04-2016 05:39 PM

fixed your title.

dleavitt 07-04-2016 05:40 PM

Thanks for the assist, lol.

mgeoffriau 07-05-2016 09:57 AM

What's that orange car?


Originally Posted by dleavitt (Post 1343475)


18psi 07-05-2016 01:54 PM

why are you mounting the narrowband in addition to wideband?

aidandj 07-05-2016 01:54 PM

He is removing the narrowband to install wideband

18psi 07-05-2016 01:55 PM

oh right. my bad. need moar coffee

Blackbird 07-05-2016 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by dleavitt (Post 1343475)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1467654680Here being examined by my lovely assistant.

Looks like a pretty thorough inspection, did we pass? :)
Looking forward to see some pics post install.

psyber_0ptix 07-05-2016 02:14 PM

I really dig those roll bars. Almost makes me want to replace my Hard Dog. oof. step away from the paypal.

Savington 07-05-2016 02:34 PM

In for EFR glory

dleavitt 07-05-2016 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Blackbird (Post 1343872)
Looks like a pretty thorough inspection, did we pass? :)
Looking forward to see some pics post install.

You most certainly did pass! She still likes climbing up on it.

dleavitt 07-05-2016 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1343890)
In for EFR glory

When you have kit, I have money.

Though installation would need to wait until I can get this piece of shit out of my garage:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1467746393


Didn't quite get finished wiring up everything yesterday, wife thought she was going into labor. False alarm. Plan to pick things back up tonight after work.

dleavitt 07-06-2016 12:30 AM

Good news: wideband, CAN module, and OBDII plug are all wired in to the Megasquirt. Bad news: I was unable to get the narrow band out the manifold. I was trying to go from the top, but ran out of daylight. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to push the car to more level ground, put it on jack stands, and mess with it from underneath.

dleavitt 07-08-2016 07:47 PM

And now the moment none of you have been waiting for: My Not a Build Thread
 
Got everything wired up, but got this when trying to set up the CAN module for my AEM Wideband:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d71d3fa437.png

Going to send an email to Andrew, but I'm guessing I somehow messed up on the wiring? Pretty bummed, was hoping to get tuning.

Edit: already got a response from Andrew! Might get this car running tonight after all. Props for great CS.

dleavitt 07-09-2016 11:29 AM

CAN Module issue still isn't resolved, so I hooked up the analog wideband output so I can work on the car in the interim. However, when I connected through Tunerstudio my AFR was freaking out. I tried to revert all the settings I changed getting the CAN Module set up, but I guess I missed something? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

EDIT: I suppose it helps to select a wideband calibration. :noob: Car starts, but does not idle. Can keep it running with throttle but seems to run really rich at lower RPMs, then leans out. Of course, this is with basically zero load. Have errands to run, but will get back at it later today.

dleavitt 07-09-2016 04:59 PM

Success! Got idle to an acceptable level. Main hangup was with hot restarts, but have it idling pretty steady at around 875 RPM. Did a little VEAL, will do some more over the course of this weekend.

Unfortunately I failed at saving a log, oh well. Haven't messed with acceleration enrichments at all, but that's on the to-do list. The real test will be the cold start tomorrow morning.

dleavitt 07-12-2016 10:07 PM

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MODS FOR THE MODS GOD. PARTS FOR THE PARTS PILE.

dleavitt 07-15-2016 12:22 PM

Hooray! Got the CAN module working. Tunerstudio was changing some settings after I clicked OK in one of the dialog boxes. Now I can start tuning in earnest... After buying a new minivan and having another kid. *sigh*

dleavitt 08-03-2016 09:18 PM

More goodies:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ce9bf825da.jpgNo kill like overkill.

Sorry for being faster than you Aidan.

Speaking of Aidan, he was quite the Rotrex evangelist over in the PDX thread at CR. Has me considering it again. Not thrilled with most of the TDR kit though, which would make it more of a DIY project that I'd really like.

In other news, I should be trading my BRG for a pickup this weekend. Then I'll be free to dispose of the parts car and have my garage back!

aidandj 08-03-2016 11:35 PM

Double post

aidandj 08-03-2016 11:35 PM

Don't know what your talking about... stupidchargers are stupid.








bro, I have an image to keep up here.

dleavitt 08-03-2016 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1351474)
Don't know what your talking about... stupidchargers are stupid.

bro, I have an image to keep up here.

Be honest, you left your computer logged in allowing your soon-to-be fiancée to sully your internet reputation.

dleavitt 08-08-2016 09:39 PM

Change in plans, going to stay N/A for a while longer. Figured it would be better/safer for me to learn track driving with safe, linear power.

However, FI is in the longer term plans. To that end, I am doing a thing:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...43ae0fd84b.pngShiny!


aidandj 08-09-2016 12:53 AM

y u no shim under bucket?

dleavitt 08-09-2016 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1352400)
y u no shim under bucket?

Sticking with stock cams, so not much point revving high enough for SUBs to be necessary. At least that's what I got from Emilio's "Engine building ideas" thread.

EDIT:
Also:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4b4634b028.jpg


aidandj 08-09-2016 10:43 AM

Figured the way that you get scope creep you would bee all over them ;)

dleavitt 08-09-2016 11:02 AM

I've admitted I have a problem, which I've heard is the first step.

I'm curious to see where I end up power-wise. Hoping for 150 at least, going to be handicapped by my low-compression block.

18psi 08-09-2016 11:04 AM

that's the first step but also the 10th step on your 20 step plan to boost
initially you realize you have a problem
then you realize the problem is much bigger than you thought

:likecat:

dleavitt 12-09-2016 05:37 PM

Four months later, and I not only have a garage I can work in but my CNC head has arrived! Also just finished the classes I need to sit for the CPA exam, so no more homework! I might actually make some progress!

Since the last update, I have obtained the following:
3.9 Torsen from Mobius via Aidan
6-Speed Transmission

Just put in a MMD order for a bunch of gaskets and seals that will hopefully take care of my oil leak. Still have some other things I want to order, but may need to prioritize and put off some. Wife is switching to a lower-paying position, and one that requires our kids to be in daycare one more day a week. :td: That being said, here's what is still on the shopping list:

Skunk2 Throttle body (to prevent parts ingestion through my fancy new head)
MiataRoadster Short Shifter (to shift more better, plus I'm going to need to get new boots and whatnot anyway)
ARP Head Studs (heard mixed signals regarding reusing the stockers, and they will make head install easier)
New engine mounts (either 949 hybrid or BlackBird drop mounts)

Thinking the TB and engine mounts would be more important than the short shifter and studs if I needed to put stuff off.

aidandj 12-09-2016 05:40 PM

Studs will be the most annoying to install in the future.

dleavitt 12-09-2016 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1380320)
Studs will be the most annoying to install in the future.

Quite true. If I skipped the studs, I'd reuse the stock bolts (I have like three sets now) and revisit when/if I build the bottom end.

Based on my google-fu, the head bolts are not torque-to-yield and are therefore okay to use again. On the other hand, studs aren't that expensive particularly in light of my baller head. Decisions, decisions...

dleavitt 02-06-2017 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1352482)
that's the first step but also the 10th step on your 20 step plan to boost
initially you realize you have a problem
then you realize the problem is much bigger than you thought

:likecat:

I fear 18psi may have jinxed me with this post. Time for a sad story.

After a couple weeks of “I’ll get started next weekend”, I realized that working on the car simply isn’t as high on the priority list as I thought. I gave up, and decided to become a credit-card mechanic. Dropped the car and a ton of parts off at a well-respected local shop to have curly do the work. Had a massive oil pan leak that I hadn’t exactly planned for, but other than that things went well. Head swapped on, car ran, just waiting on a couple more parts to come in the mail before sending the car to get tuned…

Then disaster struck. On the fourth or fifth start, oil smoke started billowing out of the exhaust. They checked it out, and there was a ton of oil in the cylinders and out the exhaust ports. So much that oil was pooling on top of the valves. Leakdown test showed pretty poor results. After a few emails back and forth with Emilio, I decided to blame my 151k mile shortblock. Fresh head raised dynamic compression, and overwhelmed my tired rings leading to the oil blow-by.

So we priced out a few different options for restoring compression, but after parts and labor simply re-ringing the current block wasn’t enough cheaper to justify the half-measure so I have a TSE shortblock on order. Going low-comp in anticipation of boost a few years from now. Anyway, that will be several weeks to build so I’ll be getting my car back, engineless. Maybe I’ll get around to installing the roll bar and a seat in the meantime. Unfortunately this blows my car money budget for quite some time, but a fresh drivetrain will mean I don’t have any big-ticket items over the next few years.

dleavitt 03-10-2017 11:59 AM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...827578910c.jpgMakes me sad every time I look at it.

Update: engine ETA is still a few weeks out.

In other news I happened to get a surprise monetary gift on the same day that a member listed some Xidas on the classifieds. New coilovers on the way! Haven't decided whether I'll try to make my FM sways work or sell my current suspension as a complete package and get RB. Thoughts?

dleavitt 03-10-2017 05:59 PM

So Emilio confirmed via a post on the wine and cheese crowd forum: FM sways wouldn't really work very well. Now I need to pick out adjustable end links, since my stockers won't like my future lower ride height. Leaning toward the Flyin Miata ones, only because I think they will hold up better in my climate.

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the FM ones don't get much shorter than stock. Seems odd, but there you go. Seems I'll be flexing my Club Orange muscle again.

dleavitt 03-25-2017 01:32 PM

Finally got the Xidas in the mail yesterday. No fault of the seller, just haven't been home when the UPS guy swings by.

The needle thrust bearings are pretty rusty, so I'd like to replace them prior to installing. I know 949 has them, but shipping is half again the cost of the bearings. Had I thought about them earlier I could have thrown them in with my previous order, but prior to taking the hit: is there a more economical option?

curly 03-25-2017 07:51 PM

They're so thin, I think any coating they have on them would chip off very quickly, so they might rust right out of the box. I'd wash them off with soap and water, then lubricate with some engine oil and rotate them back and forth between two flat surfaces for a few minutes. Brake clean, then relube. Might save you some money, as I'm sure the bearings are fine and you're just seeing surface rust on the races.

I'm very excited to:

A. install your TSE engine
B. get your parts out of my tool box ;)

Not excited to:

A. replace head (again). But supposedly I won't have to.

dleavitt 03-25-2017 09:22 PM

If the head ends up being the guilty part I am NOT going to be a happy camper.

I'll take one of the shocks apart and mess with the bearings, but I think New England road salt has done them in. Might have found a source that will ship USPS, which would save about $10.

curly 03-26-2017 12:56 AM

Ah didn't know the New England part.

aidandj 03-26-2017 01:02 AM

You can find Delrin ones too that won't rust.

dleavitt 03-26-2017 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1401332)
You can find Delrin ones too that won't rust.

There's an idea. A quick Google search didn't turn up any off-the-shelf parts, but I'm sure they're out there. If not, it's something simple enough that even I could fab something up. I'm going to give Andrew an email on Tuesday to check in on the status of my bottom end. That will give me a better idea of when the car will be going back to AR.

Ideally I'd like to get the suspension swapped prior to them taking the car back so they can align and corner-balance it. Swapping suspension is definitely one thing that I know how to do, and I'd feel silly paying them to do it for me. Time is a precious commodity for me this time of year though. Been in the office 7 days a week since the middle of February.

Steve Dallas 03-29-2017 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by dleavitt (Post 1397988)
So Emilio confirmed via a post on the wine and cheese crowd forum: FM sways wouldn't really work very well. Now I need to pick out adjustable end links, since my stockers won't like my future lower ride height. Leaning toward the Flyin Miata ones, only because I think they will hold up better in my climate.

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the FM ones don't get much shorter than stock. Seems odd, but there you go. Seems I'll be flexing my Club Orange muscle again.

I have an FM front and stock rear. The car is well-balanced, but could benefit from more roll stiffness. I will probably upgrade to a RB front and MSM rear in the future.

I also have FM end links. At my ride height, which is 4 5/8" at the pinch welds, they have enough adjustment to level the sway bars under load. I think the rears are nearly at minimum length, and the fronts are adjusted out a little bit more. Based on my measurements, I'd say they are good down to a ride height of 4 1/2".

dleavitt 03-31-2017 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Dallas (Post 1402257)
I have an FM front and stock rear. The car is well-balanced, but could benefit from more roll stiffness. I will probably upgrade to a RB front and MSM rear in the future.

I also have FM end links. At my ride height, which is 4 5/8" at the pinch welds, they have enough adjustment to level the sway bars under load. I think the rears are nearly at minimum length, and the fronts are adjusted out a little bit more. Based on my measurements, I'd say they are good down to a ride height of 4 1/2".

Ah, good to know. The measurement they have on their site must measure from a different location than that quoted for the stock links. Might look into them again when the SuperMiata links start making noise.

In other news: Andrew says the motor is still a couple weeks out. I'm actually okay with that, as that pushes the timeline out far enough that I should be able to get the suspension swapped out and maybe even install my roll bar that has been sitting in my daughter's room for a year. The 18th is so close, yet so far away...

dleavitt 04-06-2017 04:56 PM

Okay, a question has come to mind as I look forward to my suspension shenanigans. I'm planning for a ride height around 5" at the pinch welds, as the ELBJs will let me get plenty of camber at that height and make things easier to live with on the street. One thing I wasn't planning on replacing were the tie-rod ends. At that height should I be putting in the R-package tie rod ends to help with bump steer?

curly 04-07-2017 09:52 AM

If they're old or of unknown vintage, I'd highly suggest replacing the inner and out tie rods before performing an alignment. Otherwise the alignment guy can only get it so close. Or, it'll be fine on his screen but won't necessarily hold those specs when it drives off the rack. But that's really the case with any rubber bushing car.

aidandj 04-07-2017 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by dleavitt (Post 1404143)
Okay, a question has come to mind as I look forward to my suspension shenanigans. I'm planning for a ride height around 5" at the pinch welds, as the ELBJs will let me get plenty of camber at that height and make things easier to live with on the street. One thing I wasn't planning on replacing were the tie-rod ends. At that height should I be putting in the R-package tie rod ends to help with bump steer?

You may struggle to get enough rear camber depending on your goals.

If replacing tie rod ends because they are old, might as well get the R-package ones.

dleavitt 04-07-2017 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1404288)
If they're old or of unknown vintage, I'd highly suggest replacing the inner and out tie rods before performing an alignment. Otherwise the alignment guy can only get it so close. Or, it'll be fine on his screen but won't necessarily hold those specs when it drives off the rack. But that's really the case with any rubber bushing car.

They're probably original. Still have stock rubber bushings, that isn't going to change for awhile. Previous alignment guy had no problem hitting the target numbers, but no idea how well the the alignment held. If any more parts show up my wife might kill me, but on the other hand I'd feel a little silly skipping the tie rods after going through the trouble of replacing the lower ball joint, alignment bolts, and going through the trouble of corner-balancing the car.

MMD isn't showing separate part numbers for the outer tie rod ends, so I may need to call them to order. Isn't there some sort of clip that I would need to get for the inner tie rod?

dleavitt 04-07-2017 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1404291)
You may struggle to get enough rear camber depending on your goals.

If replacing tie rod ends because they are old, might as well get the R-package ones.

Not dead-set on that ride height in particular, just picked that number because it was mentioned in dowards "ELBJs are magical" threads here and at m.net. If I need to go lower to get enough rear camber I'll live.

dleavitt 04-19-2017 11:39 PM

Well, tax season is finally over! I survived mostly, and am taking the rest of the week off to work on the car and otherwise rest and recover. Today I tackled installing the roll bar that has been sitting in my daughter's room for over a year.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7281e3936b.jpg

BIG thanks to my younger brother for the extra set of hands!

I also disassembled one of my Xidas to replace the torrington bearings. There was a fair bit of grit between the lower bushing and the shock body, so the threads are not perfect. I was able to clean a lot of the grit out of the threads, but the spring perch still catches. Going to work on it some more tomorrow, hopefully I can get it clean enough to give me the full range of adjustment.

Still waiting on one of the washer things for the inner tie rod to arrive, one came from PA but another was coming from GA and I haven't received shipping notification. Going to call MMD tomorrow to see what's up, but I'm just excited to be making progress again.


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