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sr20det_28 01-03-2013 11:22 PM

Because it's not too expensive, it will help me accomodate the fuel pressure sender, i have time, i'm pretty sur i'll benefit from it preformance wise, and i'm on it, i'm doing injectors, fuel pump, so why not?

cowboys647 01-03-2013 11:33 PM

Well if you have the money then yea for sure. I was just curious but overbuilding is a good thing so your doing it right at least!

sr20det_28 01-07-2013 06:17 PM

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Walbro 255HP

turbofan 01-07-2013 07:08 PM

First: Great build. Impressive attention to detail, and you're really really doing it right. Nice job!!

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May I just point out... I've noticed that most people here on MT.net call the walbro pumps 190HP or 255HP. It's actually LPH, or litres per hour. So it's a 255lph pump, not a 255HP pump which would get confusing.

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EO2K 01-07-2013 07:11 PM

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Source: Fuel Pump - Miata Turbo FAQ

HP = High Pressure :giggle:

turbofan 01-07-2013 07:13 PM

haha you funny.

sr20det_28 01-08-2013 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 965967)
First: Great build. Impressive attention to detail, and you're really really doing it right. Nice job!!

[Minor threadcrap]

May I just point out... I've noticed that most people here on MT.net call the walbro pumps 190HP or 255HP. It's actually LPH, or litres per hour. So it's a 255lph pump, not a 255HP pump which would get confusing.

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Thanks man!

But yeah i think this stands out for High Pressure.
It's a GSS342. Wich, if i'm not mistaken, supposed to be the high pressure version of the 255lph.

sr20det_28 01-10-2013 06:04 PM

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INJECTAAAZZZZ
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1357859064

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EO2K 01-10-2013 06:16 PM

Looks familiar...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...0530-00406-jpg

Your numbers are more consistent than mine :rofl:

turbofan 01-10-2013 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by sr20det_28 (Post 966363)
Thanks man!

But yeah i think this stands out for High Pressure.
It's a GSS342. Wich, if i'm not mistaken, supposed to be the high pressure version of the 255lph.

It very well may be. I don't mean to take it out on your thread, sorry sir, just had seen it a buncha times and finally said something :vash:

turbofan 01-10-2013 06:55 PM

damn double post crappy work internet garbage...

3rdCarMX5 01-10-2013 07:26 PM

I got the 775 FIC injectors. Besides the fact it took them 3 weeks to get me the adapters, they are great. Mine were really closely matched. Entered the numbers they sent into TS and they idle better than stock.

You need to majorly redo some fuel settings though.

sr20det_28 01-10-2013 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 967164)
Looks familiar...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...0530-00406-jpg

Your numbers are more consistent than mine :rofl:

Hehe, they are beautiful, can't wait to get them on the car!


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 967172)
It very well may be. I don't mean to take it out on your thread, sorry sir, just had seen it a buncha times and finally said something :vash:

No problem, i here to learn, like i said, i'm new to this hole community, so as long as it's constructive, i'm taking!

Originally Posted by 3rdCarMX5 (Post 967180)
I got the 775 FIC injectors. Besides the fact it took them 3 weeks to get me the adapters, they are great. Mine were really closely matched. Entered the numbers they sent into TS and they idle better than stock.

You need to majorly redo some fuel settings though.

I have to redo my hole fuel setting anyway! :rofl:

sr20det_28 01-14-2013 08:00 PM

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preping the laptop that is going in the car this spring :)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358211623

Miater 01-14-2013 09:00 PM

Put a W in your hole.

inferno94 01-14-2013 10:58 PM

Car looks nice. Where in Quebec are you? Do you make it out to Ontario much?

Feel free to PM

EO2K 01-14-2013 11:41 PM

Holy crap, is that a functioning Dell C400?

sr20det_28 01-15-2013 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by inferno94 (Post 968386)
Car looks nice. Where in Quebec are you? Do you make it out to Ontario much?

Feel free to PM

Thanks!
I'm near sherbrooke, about 4h from ontario.



Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 968398)
Holy crap, is that a functioning Dell C400?

:bowrofl:
"Functionning" tought it would be a bit quicker by doing maintenance and format.

But it's dangerously slow haha, so i'm looking for a used laptop!

thenuge26 01-15-2013 09:52 AM

Try Ubuntu on it. Tunerstudio will run in Linux from what I understand.

If you can install XP, you can figure out Ubuntu. And it will make the laptop MUCH faster. Maybe not fast enough, but hey it's free why not give it a shot.

EO2K 01-15-2013 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 968462)
Try Ubuntu on it. Tunerstudio will run in Linux from what I understand.

If you can install XP, you can figure out Ubuntu. And it will make the laptop MUCH faster. Maybe not fast enough, but hey it's free why not give it a shot.

This x1000. So much less overhead with Ubuntu. Those Dells are marginal at best for XP, I believe they were designed to run Win2000

If you didn't have to pay Canada-Tax, I'd sell you a cheap ass used IBM T40/41/42/43. I literally dumpster'd 15-20 Dells of that same generation in June of last year. I hate those damn things.

sr20det_28 01-16-2013 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 968556)
This x1000. So much less overhead with Ubuntu. Those Dells are marginal at best for XP, I believe they were designed to run Win2000

If you didn't have to pay Canada-Tax, I'd sell you a cheap ass used IBM T40/41/42/43. I literally dumpster'd 15-20 Dells of that same generation in June of last year. I hate those damn things.

Theres a sticker on it "Designed for Windows XP" xD
On used items, not supposed to pay any tax!

Whats ubuntu?

EO2K 01-16-2013 09:30 PM

I'm going to breathe into a paper bag, and then post this link: Meet Ubuntu | Ubuntu

But to be honest, I've started using Linux Mint w/MATE as of late.

sr20det_28 01-16-2013 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 969112)
I'm going to breathe into a paper bag, and then post this link: Meet Ubuntu | Ubuntu

But to be honest, I've started using Linux Mint w/MATE as of late.

google'd it right after i posted, downloaded it, trying it this weekend!
If i can save the old latitude for some tuning use, would be cheaper ^^

sr20det_28 01-25-2013 11:42 PM

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I went super gay white Vaio
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359175363

I got it super cheap, so, couldnt say no!

sr20det_28 01-27-2013 12:39 PM

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Had a few hours in my hand yesterday, so i messed around a little

I got the boost controller mocked up, but still need some good silicone vaccum hose.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359308395

Got rid of the 89576485768 sticker in the windows.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359308395
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359308395

Also, worked on a intercooler plate, so that the air flow would be better, plus it helps the bumper hold together.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359308395

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359308395

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359308395

It's no exotic material, Mild steel. i will paint it this week, flat black!

sr20det_28 10-20-2013 06:35 PM

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Wow! it's been a while!

So i got all Management, fuel on the car! car went super all summer long! 10-11psi, good tune!
Had a few goodies added to the car during summer.

A set of quik-latch for quick bumper removal.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

A set of Advan A032R
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

And i got my hand on a super cheap set of Toyota COPs
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534


So this is where the 2014 project comes back to life.
Sunday, October 13th, i decided to get a bit more juice, so i got the boost up to 12-13psi, fuel was perfect, timing pretty conservative, car was pulling like never before!

So i was going back home aroung 11:30 at night, hard launched, motor grenaded before i even get into second.

This is what i got when i got out to inspect damages.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

And this is what i discovered on Monday!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

Had 2 hole in the block, and oil pan totally screwed!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

So i got to work, got the engine out!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

And began disassembly this weekend.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

And then, i got trought this
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

And this
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534

And this!!!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382308534


So now, my project is'nt locked down! i will rebuild another BP4W(internals are still on the descision bench), probably service transmission, and depower the rack.

I am open for any kind of suggestion/advice for the rebuild!

sr20det_28 10-20-2013 06:35 PM

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Double post??

EO2K 10-20-2013 09:39 PM

Damn! Nice carnage shots! Sucks to lose the motor but its impressive none the less.

Any chance there is a log? Post the timing map maybe?

sr20det_28 10-21-2013 09:14 PM

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No datalog :( i would love to log the b00m!
Here the timing table tho! Slightly modified(no so modified) Reverant Base map!

sr20det_28 10-22-2013 07:39 PM

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Cleaning the dirty lady up!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382485149

Alejo_NIN 10-22-2013 10:15 PM

damn man
that sucks

but

i gotta say, after going through all the pages...and spending all that money...why didn't you build the motor?
it would've been just 1K more...which you now have to spend on getting a block plus internals...

or are you going to keep stock bottom end?

18psi 10-22-2013 11:11 PM

Because everyone thinks their BP is magical and will somehow hold up better then others lol.

Also you see all these threads with some people runnings 15psi+ on their miata's, and people think that's the rule, not the exception.

Also boost is addicting.

Also I blew my 1st engine doing exactly the same thing: raised boost to 12-13psi after a few months of 7psi and couldn't get enough of the newfound power and torque.

We live and we learn :party:

sr20det_28 10-23-2013 11:57 AM

I was accually planning on a rebuild this winter, but the engine blew up before that, btw, i knew from the begining that bp rods were shit! But a rebuilt around here cost way more than a 1000 bucks, only rods and piston, once duty and taxes paid, cost more than a 1000$! I could of rebuilt the engine this summer, but thats kinda dumb idea knowing i dont use the car november till april...

sr20det_28 10-30-2013 08:45 PM

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So i got my hand on a "new" engine, bought the hole engine for just about 350$, it's a BP4W with about 122XXX miles, previous owner claimed a crooked crankshaft!

On first look, it looked oily as hell, but not THAT bad! They had a hard time removing one of the exhaust manifold stud.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383180302

So i got it in the shop, witch looked like this :eek4:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383180302

And got working on it, removed intake first, looked good. but already i could see that the engine had a hard life then mine use too had!
Next, was the valve cover, that where the party started! :ugh:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383180302
It was caused by this!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383180302

Got deeper
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383180302

AAAAAAND deeper!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383180302
These are connecting rod bearing, 1 to 4.

And this is 4!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383180302

So, i got to conclusion that this engine had little(or no) maintenance, oil leaks, and oil consumption, and propably oil starvation.

So i have to take both crank and block to my machinist so he can tell me if both crank are srap, or good. Also seeing that oil starvation, pushes me to dissasemble part on the head, before selling it, to be sure it's all good!

18psi 10-31-2013 03:10 AM

that is one toasted engine.
and yes, you better make sure every single rotating part is inspected because oil starvation has a tendency of toasting nearly everything, not just the bearings

sr20det_28 11-04-2013 08:05 PM

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So i got my hand on a 2001 6 speed (with about 41 000m) and a MSM Rack and pinion for depowerering, since ratio is shorter(about 2 1/8 turns lock to lock VS 2 7/8 for the 99-05 non-MSM), i tought that would be the best to depower!

So here the 6speed laying aside with the 5speed
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383613539

Had a some time off on sunday, so i began the depowering!
Here is the rack, this is how i got it, 500 miles, inner tie-roe popped out in accident!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383613539

Stripping it!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383613539

Stripped
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383613539
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383613539

Reassembled and plugged!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1383613539

I also removed the spool valve, checking for the famous "loose" in the pinion shaft, wich i don't seem to have, so i am going to try it like that!

I do have a tight spot about in the middle course, i don't know if this is normal? i followed tightning sequences(43ft/lbs 3 times, slack it off 25 degrees) lock to lock seems find, it's only in the middle!

sr20det_28 11-04-2013 09:00 PM

Super master n00b fail! 43 in/lbs not 43 ft/lbs -_-

sr20det_28 11-11-2013 06:15 PM

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What can i do to enhance the weirdly done BP4W intake? i already removed the flappers(and i'm going to plug hole! but, any thing else? other then porting and polishing(wich i am waiting for the kit to come it)

I don't want to spend on a supa JDMy0 flat top intake!

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384211737

timk 11-12-2013 01:40 AM

I didn't weld the pinion shaft either, it scares me thinking about it.

sr20det_28 11-12-2013 10:22 AM

I'm still hesitant of doing it! one of my buddies have his welded, i'm juste waiting to see the result, i might change my mind.

sr20det_28 11-25-2013 06:15 PM

Started a thread on https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...6/#post1076771, because i'm getting kinda confused!

sr20det_28 12-01-2013 11:17 AM

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Gnaaaaaaahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa, i'm so exited, i got my hand on a use(almost mint condition) Bride Stradia Carbon/Kevlar! Got only one tho!

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385914653

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385914653

I still need to test fit it in the car, mesurement looks alright!

Even got cat approval!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...29454949_n.jpg

sr20det_28 11-15-2014 11:27 AM

This post needs some heavy update!
2014 was quite a year for me, i tried hard to get the car up and running for the summer '14, but personnal and professional change had made it quite difficult!

So if i go back from where we left the thread.

I did a mild exhaust port polish and intake port clean + gasket match

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...8d&oe=54E5438D

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...31&oe=54DC40A0

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...5f&oe=54E6B2BC

Prepped and painted the block.
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...f3&oe=54DAB282

As i was waiting for parts to come in, I got my Rack&Pinion pinion chaft TIG welded!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...2cbbb4f43169be

sr20det_28 11-15-2014 11:37 AM

So as the prepping continues, i got my buddy willing to get me some cam gears while he was in japan for a couple of month, so i got all exited and this happened.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...43&oe=54E809DB

Then got some custom thermostat adapter spacers, blank with ridge for a miata sized thermostat to fit and clocked for kia's neck. This is test fitting on dummy engine/head/bellhousing.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...89be423d7de21f

sr20det_28 11-15-2014 11:47 AM

And then, parts started to come in, wich my wallet was unhappy about!

Radiator + Fan shroud.
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...7f&oe=54E19097

Pistons and rod(84mm 8.5:1 wiseco) too pretty to even put into an engine!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...ffec23d3fa5bca

Manley rod(wich i had to compare with stock ones)
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...c5&oe=54D2A9AD

And then, a buddy see's the picture, and send me this back(Stock BP rods VS 6XXci truck pull alcohol engine)
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...24&oe=54D43E26

The super sexy, excessive deal, free shipping Toda cam gears(intake for cam sensor)**Don't mind the stickers please :D
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...e05ae080a52484

Supertech HD valve spring(got a set of exhaust valve Standard size but did'nt got them on picture)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...c6782d3d1261ce

Super miata damper.(To fit with ZM-DE reluctor wheel.)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...6da850752d4b36

And non engine related parts, Bride seat rail(for low max) because my custom one i made had me sit a bit high...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...112cef5353ef4e

sr20det_28 11-15-2014 12:01 PM

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Then i got all my head parts to the machine shop, waited too long. finally got it all, Head assembled and block decked and bored. SHINY THINGS!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...fb4efcf28c2c04

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...d3937631639977

So here is the fun part, hours and hours of mesurements and assembly.
Gapping piston rings.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1416070910

Piston and rod assembly, again too sexy too hide in there :(
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...a0e00b132ead0a

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...d1&oe=5519A044

Then got it all in there.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...9cb6915bed9456

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...4c&oe=54E7C0BA

Boundary street oil pump with gates new water pump.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...76&oe=54E42A89

Ready to get some heads :jerkit:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...4720087dc2faef

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...8fb33771b9f94a

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...34&oe=54EB52BC

Pretty much final before beeing transplanted into the car.(the stock damper is for ease of first start and break-in period only)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...44221232_o.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...86151639_o.jpg

sr20det_28 11-15-2014 12:03 PM

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A few interior shots.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1416070989

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1416070989

sr20det_28 11-15-2014 12:08 PM

And there it is, final assembly for 2014, just got in in storage for winter, had barely the time to break it in. Sorry for poor pictures, will get some nice one next spring, since winter around here are pretty bad! Will post future project in a list form. Since the car is running on stock exhaust, 1.6 stock clutch and 4.10 gear with 6 speed, there is going to have some changes!

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...41690000_o.jpg


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