ridethecliche

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And I'm guessing that the pricy eibachs do, huh? Any reason you prefer them on the bottom?

Let me think about it for a tiny bit. I have no clue when I'm going to be able to redo this. It's not hard, just time consuming, so paying to have it done wouldnt be cheap...

concealer404

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Pricey Eibachs do in fact fit over sleeves.

I prefer them on bottom because Xidas have them on the bottom and i'm a lemming. I haven't noticed any performance change.

ridethecliche

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I was actually going to add 'or because xidas' in my post haha.

Steve Dallas

C'mon, wannabe Doc! I can do the whole job in under 2 hours, without a lift, with beer. Lots of beer. If I can do it, while seeing double, in 2 hours, you should be able to do it in 3.

Seriously, though. You must fix that.

But, if they are on top, they are technically unsprung weight, right?!

I'll let myself out...

concealer404

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Probably less of a problem in my setup. I run Hyperco C100s.

afm

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Other way around. If they're on top, they don't move as much in relation to the body as if they're on the bottom. And all this assumes they're at block length

Steve Dallas

Well, crap. I can't even get my own joke right. Springs on top of springy things are sprung.

stefanst

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RTCs combo is very similar to mine. I was not able to use the Wide Opens. If I remember right, with the helpers on top, the extended tophats (1'f and 1.5"r), lowered allstar sleeves (1"), the sleeve will hit the spring-coupler before the shock hits the bumpstop. If memory serves me right, the Wide Opens also add maybe 1/2" to the height of the whole stack and thus required to lower the lower spring perch by another half inch, which would have led to binding of the perch on the half-shaft under full deflection.
Now all that was a while ago, so I may be wrong on some details. Anybody else here who has a similar setup and uses the Wide Opens successfully? How did you make them work?

concealer404

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I was able to run my setup stance-y low without any issues.

Lowered circlips about 1.5", 6" hypercos, wideopen sliders, CS100 tenders, 1" front, 1.5" rear extended top hats. My Wide Opens added 1/4" to the stack. Eibachs added 1/8".

My only issue was that i didn't cut my front bump stops long enough at the time, and my travel was limited by my tire jamming itself into the car itself.

stefanst

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Also on the allstar sleeves? That would be virtually identical to my setup. I'm running 7" main springs from Summit (forgot what brand), so my lower perches would have to be a lot lower than yours, hence the binding on the half-shaft. Running 5" pinch-weld in the rear, 4.75" front.

concealer404

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Got the sleeves from Cord Bauer, not sure what they are. Look largely the same as the ones 5x Racing sells.

ridethecliche

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The advanced autosports sleeves I have are 4 inches vs the 5 inch ones from 5x racing.

Stefanst has been running his setup like this for a while now, including track use, with no issues. I think I'll eventually install the sliders, but I don't think it's happening till I get a chance to do it....so it's gonna be a bit.

I do understand that the interface of the springs would be far cleaner with the sliders which totally makes sense. I was going to put a delrin washer or something in between, but it snapped. I think i forgot to put one between the spring and the poly pushing on top as well, which explains why adjusting it was such a pita. I'll get around to it sometime I guess.

ridethecliche

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Okay, just to keep the thread title relevant, what's the issue with having no slider?

-undue spring wear
-noise/vibrations
-potential of spring ends riding over each other at the interface

Im curious because both the ends of the spring that are touching may have little rotational freedom, but the ends on the PU and delrin can rotate.

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concealer404

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Nothing coupling the springs. Much increased chance of things going cockeyed. Putting a delrin washer between them will do absolutely nothing.

Sliders/couplers aren't on literally every dual spring suspension option on the face of the planet ever just to sell you more parts.

18psi

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this is getting borderline troll-thread.
like, soon people won't take you seriously enough to even bother helping you
thread title was a joke, you don't need to try and live up to it

ridethecliche

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Vlad, I just think you guys have been slacking on picking on me this week.

I'm obviously going to fix things if I made a mistake because I forgot to order something. No one had mentioned the couplers when I was talking about helper springs, but early on in the thread there was a lot of chatter about them which I missed because I probably didn't know wtf they were talking about at the time lol.

I understand the theoretical cockeyed bit, but if rotational freedom is the issue, doesn't having the two ends free to move around let the springs coil/uncoil at will if there's any interaction between the ends? I can see how having a perfectly flat interface for both springs with a coupler would make things cleaner.

I agree with your second statement re: on everything. That could also be because this is likely going to be more noisy and folks tend to think that things are broken if they make too much noise! The springs rubbing on each other could potentially cause the coating to wear off and make the springs rusty. I guess companies don't like having pictures of their shocks with rusty springs on the interwebs!
The helper spring here is doing pretty much nothing for the overall spring rate right? It's just there to make sure the main spring doesn't pogo like a **** if you hit a bump large enough to fully deload the shock. The helper is pretty much fully compressed with the car just sitting there.

I'm guessing that interface isn't sensible for something like a bearing either?

stefanst

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With your sleeves being 1" shorter than mine and having them lowered, you may be able to run the wide-opens without binding. If you want to try, you can have mine. I'm never going to use them, because having spring-on-spring action where they are not internally guided seems to me like just asking form them to get cockeyed and then we get shockbody-hit-coupler-coupler-hit-upper-perch. This would extend the life of the bumpstops, but makes for somewhat unpredictable handling.
So, just for you, there's a free set of wide open couplers.

patsmx5

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I like build threads with boost and wining and track results and cool fab work and vids. This thread needs more of these things.

stefanst

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Yeah. Cool fabwork not gonna happen anytime soon in this thread. But, considering that RTC apparently didn't know anything about how cars work before embarking on this journey, I think he's doing quite well. While driving everybody crazy of course.

RTC: No. You can't use bearings as spring couplers. Torringtons are skinny and will bend at the slightest uneven application of force. So no-go between springs. The only thing that will work between springs are spring couplers- that's why they exist.

concealer404

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Rotational freedom isn't the issue.

Put one of those springs on your garage floor.

Now jump on it. See what happens.

Then get out your pogo stick and see what happens as you jump with it already "attached" to you.

In your pictures each spring only has one end of it held in place. Not acceptable. You'd be better off not running helpers at all.