Does Abe know you have an MSM? They do have different A/C compressors than a regular NB. I don't know what difference that makes but I thought I would mention it.

Yeah, Ryan was having to take it easy on the brake application to keep from locking them up, he said at the track. The 11.75 rotors are muy grande compared to the 10 inch stock ones.

This I did not know. I will look into it.

As for using a more aggressive pad than the xr4, I can lock up the fronts on the rivals on demand with these brakes so I think they are probably okay for now. The rivals I am using are near the end of their life so if new tires prove to have substantially more grip I will consider changing brake compounds.

To do that brake upgrade, do you loose abs?

From what I can find, the MSM compressor is significantly smaller and should actually allow for additional clearance.

No I did not lose ABS. It actually engaged a fair amount during the rain sessions at sebring when the rivals were skating on the water.

When I lock up the tires while braking it isn't for very long before the abs engages but it ia definitely noticeable. I would rather not rely on the abs when I am braking because it can be really hard on hot rotors.

The pics from Sebring are up. I'm contemplating buying. There are some pretty good ones of you on your knees in the garage area earning tire money, lol.

It's a lot smaller and lighter. Shouldn't be an issue. Lines are routed differently though.
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Daytona was awesome! All the way up to the very last lap of the very last session when my motor blew up! I'm pretty sure I shifted into the wrong gear and either threw a rod or lost a valve which then reaked havoc. I had missed a downshift earlier as well so I am sure the rods were already not happy.

Luckily I had a friend who lives fairly close to me who had offered to trailer my car home and let me drive his 5.0 mustang back. We droppee the car at Miata2fast's shop and I'll be starting on the engine swap a little earlier than I planned.

Daytona is an incredibly fast track and heavily favors hp over handling. It was still very fun to hit 140mph in the miata on the back straight. Great course, would go again.

I'm really curious where the oil came from that was all around the engine bay. At least you didn't do it first session Saturday.

I am going to have a look later on today to see if I can find the offending hole.

Some ARTech porn for you all. Dat straight DP. Dat Flow. Parts are out to swain for coating.

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Should be pulling the blown motor this weekend. I will post pictures of the carnage.

It clears the A/C, what about the P/S pump?

P/S has been deleted which allows the turbo to be mounted further forward to allow room for the EWG plumbing back to the downpipe.
- no way is there enough room in our engine bay for P/S and an EWG with an EFR without cutting the shelf.

Will the turbo need any additional bracing or should the EWG and associated plumbing provide enough since there are 2 mount points to the manifold?
ie. the turbo is not hanging off one manifold mount point AND supporting the downpipe.

I actually don't think space would be an issue or at least it wasn't for me. It was designed this way at my request as I preferred a low mount setup for better flow characteristics and heat management concerns. I was removing p/s anyway so it was not a concern. It only needed to clear the AC.

This is what RyanG's Miata looks like from behind. Well, at least when it is running.


Miata enters at :50.

Hurry up and fix yore shit!

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So I can break it again at the strip.

A few broken axles never hurt anybody.




Wait a minute. You have a Mazdaspeed. No excuses!

Why do I take a car to any track? To find any weakness and make it stronger. Your old motor had a weakness and you rooted it out. Good job.

There is no way I would be able to shake the car down enough before Dec 28th to be even remotely comfortable bringing it to the strip. The motor wouldn't even be broken in most likely.

Break it in like a rented something you would rent and treat badly.

Hookers and escorts come to mind.

:shrug:
It's your build thread.

I remember Bradenton well. It was actually a little over a year ago :P
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So I didn't read everything but I saw goals similar to what I am making, but the sig says 7163. Did something change along the way? Cause a 6258 makes the power you wanted with ease. I'm referencing the second post in this thread.

Goals changed. Its been a while since I began this journey. Efr turbos didn't even exist when I started this thread. I plan to just keep upgrading everything in this car as I go because I like to tinker.

RyanG has been busy. Daytona weekend was something to remember, especially for Ryan.

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He decided to take a shortcut from fifth gear down to second instead of fourth or even third. Number three rod couldn't take the pressure and jumped out of a window.

So the engine comes out.

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Yes, barefoot and in shorts in December.

Ouch...

Actually, it was number four and not number three.

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So many MSM parts destroyed :(

For some reason I feel like that's one of the more gruesome compound explosions I've seen.

The turbo may still be okay. All of the exhaust valves are also completely intact so there is some hope that the head is salvagable. The MSM block isn't special and neither are the internals so there may be no destroyed MSM parts. Pending further tear down.

There was also another nice surprise during the pull. The driver side motor mount was pulled completely in half!! Aw yeah.

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Nice MSM. Are you using the stock MSM sway bars w/ the bilsteins?

How long did those motor mounts last you? They look like the Mazda comp ones?

If those are the mounts that came with the car from the factory, then they are the MSM specific ones. Not sure if Ryan_G upgraded them at some point or not.

Mazda lists 3 different PNs of motor mounts for the Miata. From softest to firmest: 90-05, 04-05 MSM & Competition. The part numbers are floating around here somewhere, or you can look them up somewhere like Rosenthal.

Thanks. I was just curious because most places say the comp ones last a year with autox/track use. I think I will go with the $200 heavy duty ones from Goodwin racing.

That was the original mount for the car.

False.

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Christmas presents from swain. I have a lot of small parts that have arrived. There will be rapid progress starting tomorrow. The build should be up and running in the next two weeks.

Glorious. What was the turn-around time from Swain?

Time to ugly it up with greasy fingerprints :D

I told him I couldn't wait to get near it and do just that. It's MINE!

Turn around time was about 4 weeks

I forgot how pretty the swain stuff looked new. The finger prints arent that bad unless your fingers are nasty.

His exploding engine coated the entire engine compartment with nasty black oil. He's going to have some cleaning to do before touching anything new and white.

Heavy cleaning will happen today. I am going to remove the intercooler as well and clean that up. Tomorrow I want to get the ducting for the radiator done and the power steering delete finalized.

Ok, that makes me feel a bit better. They told me 2 weeks before I sent it in like 3 weeks ago. I assume Christmas and New Years are going to screw the deadline even further, so I won't worry about it until January.

I should have sent in my downpipe too, because that looks great. Though I am surprised the coated the backside of the V-bands?

I was worried about that as well. I did some research and found that many vbands still work with the coating. Tial vbands will not but I don't have any of those so we will see if mine work or if I have some cleanup to do.

When I called them they said they couldnt apply such a small amount of their masking agent. The efr vband for treadstone fits more or less. It does get fucking stuck like a bastard though and I do have some trouble getting it to seal even though both are flat.

Please tell me the motor mounts eventually showed up?

Lol. Yes, I've had them for a while.

Well, that's 1 of 3 that I sent that day that made it to the intended destination :facepalm:

Been making progress but it has been much slower than I would have liked. In the home stretch right now and I can hopefully get everything back together and running before this week is over like I had originally planned.

Modified the valve cover with two 3/8 NPT fittings for the catch can setup.

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The bungs are currently being welded by a profressional.

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I have almost the entire engine back together but I ran into a few hitches. The first big one is this:

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The MSM water inlet housing is contacting the compressor housing on the turbine. I also have a normal housing but that would be even worse as it does not point downward at all. I am thinking I might have the same guy that welded my oil pan and valve cover modify it a bit for me. I can either have a piece of the downward section removed and place the hose end at a downward angle to clear the housing or just cut and rotate the whole arm a little farther downward so that it clears. I am going to decide this tomorrow. Here is how much clearance on the block I have to work with.

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You should consider flipping the mixing manifold. My build thread has some pictures and Greddygalant might have flipped an msm mixing manifold, or at least knows why its hard. Curly has some pictures in his build too, he is the one I got the idea from.

Mine is flipped too. Note, the flipped mixing manifold does not clear the stock fans. But there is a pre-bent radiator hose at advanced auto that fits after being trimmed. I think you could get by without welding by using an na6 thermostat cover and a plate. The plate is there because while the bolt patterns are the same between the thermostat covers and the water pump inlet the sealing areas dont mate fully.

Mine fit fine with stock fans:

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I'd happily trade you a "regular" mixing manifold or even buy the MSM one off you if you are not going to use it. It looks like it would fix my "mixing manifold hit primary" problem perfectly.

Also, I really like what you did with the weld bungs. :bigtu: I did the same thing on my pan. MUCH cleaner way to do it if you have things apart and access to a welder.

Looks like you have a 1.6. The difference in length between the 1.6 and the 1.8 would be all the difference.

I thought about turning the mixing manifold around but I am pretty sure it will make contact with the ac belt. Every one I have seen that retains accessories still had ps and the tube sits in the middle of the belt. I will only have a belt going from the crank pulley to the ac pulley so I don't think I will have the needed clearance.

Yes I do, that makes sense :)

So I solved the water inlet problem and it was really simple.

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I am going to use a bendable radiator line that I already have to route around the turbo and then hook it into the stock line (which I will have to cut) with a metal pipe connection.

I made more progress today.

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I was hoping to get the engine in the car by the end of the day but I ran into another fucking problem. You notice how the intake cam gear is not installed in the picture. The motherfucking torx bolts will not come out. I used pb blaster, hit the torx bit into them with a hammer, tried to tighten it and then loosen it, and in a fit of desperation put the cam gear between my feet and used a fucking drill and nothing would even budge that shit.

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I am going to take it to a machine shop tomorrow to pull them out because I do not trust myself to drill them out without damaging something important. I got the call today that my valve cover is done. I will be picking that up tomorrow along with a few last fittings that I need.

You may also notice that the stock damper is in place instead of the fancy ati damper that I have in my garage. I was also unaware that the stock trigger wheel would not work with it and has to be modified. :vash: So that will go on later since right now I just want my car back on its feet.