Stian's 1992 trackday weapon
#21
obviously this guy has also been visiting the garage where inglar and myself work on our mx5's not often 3 owners of 400ish whp mx5 get together in a small country like norway. im not sure if theres any more of us
cool to see your project here aswell Stian.. if you fix the issues we discussed, the car will be fast and fun again..
cool to see your project here aswell Stian.. if you fix the issues we discussed, the car will be fast and fun again..
Hehe - I am already wondering if I can live with the delay in spool from the GT30 vs the 28-series, so I am not sure if the GT35 will help I am not aiming for max top performance (only) - I want something that gives good throttle response on track with some sort of reliability... I am sure 500whp will be more bust than reliable.
I've done some flowcalculations of the various turbochargers I've been debating, and will post them here shortly to get your feedback on it... Maybe I should do one for the GT35 too - just for the hell of it
#22
Flowcalculations: GTX2867R vs BorgWarner EFR6258
I've done a bit of calculations, according to Graham Bell's formulas, in order to better understand what would be the better turbo to select for my project. I calculated for 15psi & 22psi from 3600-7200rpms, then I did one for 25psi @ 7600 and one completely over-the-top at 30psi.
After going comparing all the compressorcharts, there are a few of the smaller (pre GT30) turbos that looks very promising. One is the new Garret GTX2867R. The first batch of these turbos are shipping very soon, so I sent some emails to ATP to get their opinion about it and they were extremely enthusiastic. It is promised to spool as well as the 2860RS but will deliver a whole lot more on the top end. See the comparison charts here. They could also ship it with a T3-turbine that could fit my existing downpipe. Here's the flowchart:
Not too bad at all!! No issues with surge and even up to the higher boostlevels it operates inside the most efficient area of the compressor, hitting the sweepspot at the end of the RPM-ranges. Would be awesome to see full boost closer to 3000rpms and yet reaching well above 300whp! I am a bit surprised that this turbo has not been mentioned either here or at M.net! Am I missing something here - apart from the fact that it's a fairly new device..? Will be very interesting to see how it compares in real life, once we see the first builds on the dyno.
The BorgWarner EFR6258 also looks very very promising. This seems to be the one to beat - at least when it comes to delivering at the lower rpm-ranges. Will be interesting to see once more people finish their builds and show some dynoplots with higher boost than the 12psi that "fresh38" was producing. Even then he produced 270rwhp on a more or less stock engine!!! Very impressive.
Edit: My first calculations were a bit off on this turbo, as I didn't scale it correctly. This now looks even better! Seems like the compressor is able to give 20psi all the way from 2800rpm to redline
Some other alternatives are also attached with overlayed flowcalculations, including the suggested GT35 that for sure will fit really well
To be continued...
After going comparing all the compressorcharts, there are a few of the smaller (pre GT30) turbos that looks very promising. One is the new Garret GTX2867R. The first batch of these turbos are shipping very soon, so I sent some emails to ATP to get their opinion about it and they were extremely enthusiastic. It is promised to spool as well as the 2860RS but will deliver a whole lot more on the top end. See the comparison charts here. They could also ship it with a T3-turbine that could fit my existing downpipe. Here's the flowchart:
Not too bad at all!! No issues with surge and even up to the higher boostlevels it operates inside the most efficient area of the compressor, hitting the sweepspot at the end of the RPM-ranges. Would be awesome to see full boost closer to 3000rpms and yet reaching well above 300whp! I am a bit surprised that this turbo has not been mentioned either here or at M.net! Am I missing something here - apart from the fact that it's a fairly new device..? Will be very interesting to see how it compares in real life, once we see the first builds on the dyno.
The BorgWarner EFR6258 also looks very very promising. This seems to be the one to beat - at least when it comes to delivering at the lower rpm-ranges. Will be interesting to see once more people finish their builds and show some dynoplots with higher boost than the 12psi that "fresh38" was producing. Even then he produced 270rwhp on a more or less stock engine!!! Very impressive.
Edit: My first calculations were a bit off on this turbo, as I didn't scale it correctly. This now looks even better! Seems like the compressor is able to give 20psi all the way from 2800rpm to redline
Some other alternatives are also attached with overlayed flowcalculations, including the suggested GT35 that for sure will fit really well
To be continued...
Last edited by stian; 11-30-2011 at 08:31 PM. Reason: Wrong flowcalculation for BorgWarner turbo
#23
Questions about RX7 "hybrid" gearbox
A while since my last post since the car was taken apart to weld some exhaust leaks and make a proper threaded fitting for the EGT sensor which the previous owner had made a half assed attempt to weld into the turbinehousing
Has since then been waiting for the snow and ice to clear off the road so I could take it for a spin. Today we had -6c (21F) but the roads were at least dry enough to brave a little testdrive. The fixed leaks was successfull and I got 2-3psi more now than before, so it pulls way too hard for the roadconditions to give me any traction. Turbolag is still HUGE, so the damaged dinosaur of a T3 must go. The quest for the proper replacement solution continues...
Now, I have a few questions regarding my hybrid RX7 FD3S tranny. The previous owner who fitted it, cut and welded a Miata bellhousing to the RX7-box and made custom fittings to bolt it to the PPF:
First of all the speedocable has snapped so I need to replace it. It looks like a standard Miata cable, right? So I guess they must have changed the drive-gear inside the transmission to make it read correctly on the Miata... Anyway, the sharp bend they made to the cable, probably caused increased friction so that it eventually snapped. Will see if I can get one of those angle-adapters so it does not happen again. Anyone who has one on the shelf?
Last question is related to a rattling noise in idle. The audio comes and goes as I press the clutchpedal:
What could be causing this? Throwout bearing? Transmission bearing(s)? Clutch fork touching something it shouldn't?
Has since then been waiting for the snow and ice to clear off the road so I could take it for a spin. Today we had -6c (21F) but the roads were at least dry enough to brave a little testdrive. The fixed leaks was successfull and I got 2-3psi more now than before, so it pulls way too hard for the roadconditions to give me any traction. Turbolag is still HUGE, so the damaged dinosaur of a T3 must go. The quest for the proper replacement solution continues...
Now, I have a few questions regarding my hybrid RX7 FD3S tranny. The previous owner who fitted it, cut and welded a Miata bellhousing to the RX7-box and made custom fittings to bolt it to the PPF:
First of all the speedocable has snapped so I need to replace it. It looks like a standard Miata cable, right? So I guess they must have changed the drive-gear inside the transmission to make it read correctly on the Miata... Anyway, the sharp bend they made to the cable, probably caused increased friction so that it eventually snapped. Will see if I can get one of those angle-adapters so it does not happen again. Anyone who has one on the shelf?
Last question is related to a rattling noise in idle. The audio comes and goes as I press the clutchpedal:
What could be causing this? Throwout bearing? Transmission bearing(s)? Clutch fork touching something it shouldn't?
#24
I vote the latter- in the bell housing- like rubbing diaphragm springs. Don't you have some places to peak through into the bell housing? fork boot maybe? That's where I peered in with one of those flexible LED lights to see my clutch disc in pieces. I assume nothing has changed in (driveline) drivability.
#26
The new GTX2863R turbo is in place - and has been for a while now... Sofar I am running more or less on my old map, so it's far from optimal but things are certainly working much better than before!! I now have full boost (18psi for now) at 3800 which is 1500rpm sooner than the old Turbonetics thing. Also no more oilsmoke and noises. However, I am wondering why my boost curve rises so slowly from 1750 to 3000? Especially compared to the Cueball's 2860-setup, which seems quite similar to the hardware I'm running... Could it be cam's that needs less overlap?
I am going to the dyno later this week to get it properly tuned, so will post back the results and add my boost-plot once its done.
I am going to the dyno later this week to get it properly tuned, so will post back the results and add my boost-plot once its done.
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