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midpack 07-24-2013 08:30 PM

Track and occasional street MSM
 
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Figured I should finally contribute something useful and document my path down a road named Bad Idea Lane. I've come really close to selling my '04 MSM in the last year with plans of buying a pre-OBD2 car and making it an EFR track beast. The final decision has been made and despite all common wisdom my first turbo car, my first Miata, is staying mine and will see continued improvements to make it more track friendly, fun and reliable. A little history lesson to start things off. I have a tendancy to ramble and jump around a bit. :dealwithit:

Having paid off my 2000 Focus ZX3 some months prior there was an wad of cash increasingly burning a hole in my pocket. Long and boring story short, I picked up my 2004 Titanium Gray MSM in February, 2005 with plans to DD it year round.

It looked something like this, sans upgraded intercooler and an air blocking grill.
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October 2005 rolled around and I'd racked up 14k miles. Between a 75 mile round trip commute and weekend trips the miles just stacked on. So I picked up a beater 1989 Buck Century wagon. Thing was a tank and it took me everywhere including some less traveled uhh fields and forests without complaint. At some point it started leaking transmission fluid. $700 later it still did (hooray for shitty repair shops) and then the A/C went out. It trundled on with a now shorter commute every day without complaint allowing the time to make the Miata better.

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Early 2006 this box arrived. Sadly, FM is a bunch of cheap bastards and the beer was not included.

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After consuming more beer the engine bay now had some shiny bits. The shiny bits, not the beer, had a nice side effect of making it more fun and faster.

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At some point I was talked into bring this home with me. He was much smaller at the time, and described as a short-haired cat by the agency.
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Great cat, except for his insistence that furniture was his personal litter box and sadly is no longer a household member.

At some point another box showed up with the TB inlet and BOV replacement. Later that year, or maybe 2007 the FM downpipe was installed and I was pretty happy with the car. It had an O2 mod installed and that helped smooth the power ever so slightly. Gotta admit I did enjoy the ECU kicking in at 5500rpm, made for a fun street car at least.

Then I discovered Autox. Thought it was fun to drive really fast for 4 minutes and stand on asphalt in the hot sun for 3 hours. I don't do it anymore, but I do believe it was time and money well spent - it helped me learn car control in a safe environment with little risk. It also got my to buy a set of decent wheels. Ran some used V710s for a while, they didn't magically fix my bad habits unfortunately.

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I ran with SCCA for a few years, constantly complaining about classing - I really despise how SCCA classes autox. At some point Corksport took some money and in return they gave me a 3" exhaust and it was installed. Even still, autox gave me a thrill that couldn't be had anywhere else.

And then SilverMiataRacer on m-s.com talked up the Miatas@Hallett event and how much fun it was. So I signed up. Now I was highly intimidated going into this, terrified of the rumble stops and what they would do to my car, spinning out on every other corner, or running off track and breaking something. Well I got over it.

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Yes, my very first track day was without a rollbar. And yes, that's one of the main reasons I went. Lots of the fast local autox guys always talked how you could only drive 9/10ths on a track but 10/10ths on a parking lot filled with cones and therefor autox is more fun. Well I far more enjoy driving 6-9/10ths with some occasional 11/10ths thrown in for over an hour vs 4 minutes. They are fucking liars. Holy shit is a trackday fun. After my first session I knew a rollbar was next. Luckily for me, that night at the banquet I won a gift certificate for Hard Dog. Tom is a great guy, not only does he sponsor track events, but he's super helpful on the phone. So of course it was installed and of course I went back to Miatas@Hallett the following year.

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Up next was the suspension. After a ride in FM's Igor I was easily convinced to part with $600 for a set of VMaxxxxxxxxxxx. Couldn't quite cough up the cash for Xidas yet, but for the price I'm still happy with the decision. Besides, my new-ish DD - Forester XT - decided it needed a new air pump not a week after FM shipped a box my way.

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I never did weigh the stock pieces.

By now I was really fucking sick of the stock MSM ECU. That fucking piece of shit really made track driving difficult and busy. Then I met hustler and learned the virtues of MS. Some months later a package from Greece showed up and I learned the joys of tuning. MS is awesome. To celebrate, I installed an Ultrashield seat and went back to Miatas@Hallett.

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Aaand discovered the front pad taper that many talk about. One week before another track event. Fortunately, there is a fix and it was in my hands a couple days later.

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That about wraps up 2012. Some haphazzard ducting and an FM oil cooler kept things mostly in check all year, but there was a lot to be done before 2013 starts up. To be continued...

hustler 07-24-2013 08:33 PM

I remember you. Going to M@H again this year?

midpack 07-25-2013 12:22 AM

Unfortunately, no. The wife signed me up for an autocross style event in a Ferrari which happens to fall on that same Saturday. I was there in June camped next to some of you NASA bros, good times were had, lots of alcohol consumed, and heard the story behind your dash decoration :giggle:

midpack 07-29-2013 10:57 PM

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I knew sticking the FM oil cooler in then intended location without ducting was going to be massive fael. So I took a bit of corrugated plastic and built a little duct to pull air from below the radiator and funnel it into the cooler. The side fins sealed pretty well against the stock tray.

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I tried to improve upon it a little bit and cut out some more plastic bits and made a matching bottom piece. It hasn't made any difference. If I'm going to keep the rack mounted oil cooler , the air box needs to be extended forward to the intercooler so it pulls only fresh air. It will at least be a cheap attempt before committing money to a bigger cooler,-10 lines and a reloaction. This is what my under tray looks like now.

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midpack 07-29-2013 11:15 PM

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In order to be consistently inconsistent, let's jump forwards to the most recent mod.

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I expect better performance once the 2" gap around the entire radiator is filled in, but even with the massive air bypass route it out performs a sealed MSM rad. Overall, very impressed with how easy a race part dropped in. For whatever reason, the outlet points down at a 45* angle and bottom fan mounts are essentially L brackets instead of the posts found on the top.

Around back is a 14" SPAL which soviet was kind enough to post fitment details for, only to rescind the praise and complain about current draw and stalling the day after mine shows up. Thanks dick. :party:

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In my massively complex, scientific, and long-winded testing consisting of idling until the fan kicks on it actually seems to drag the motor down less than the stock MSM fans did. Time will tell how well it's going to work for me or if my initial observation was correct. The idle tune is in such a shitty state right now that even the stock fans were problematic.

hustler 07-30-2013 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by midpack (Post 1036524)
Unfortunately, no. The wife signed me up for an autocross style event in a Ferrari which happens to fall on that same Saturday. I was there in June camped next to some of you NASA bros, good times were had, lots of alcohol consumed, and heard the story behind your dash decoration :giggle:

I miss those guys, lol. It reminds me to not be a pussy all the time though.

midpack 09-03-2013 12:25 AM

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I basically stopped driving the car. Sick of trying to fix this:
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Overrun fuel cut is disabled. Does it in neutral too.
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This started when I installed some ID1000s earlier this year. Just pulled them out and put the green top's back in, restored an old tune, and it drives normal again. Don't know if I'm getting a vacuum leak or if something is buggered in the injectors - I did buy them used. Either way, they are going back to ID for a cleaning.

midpack 09-04-2013 02:04 AM

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I'm giving her all she's got Cap'n

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midpack 09-27-2013 11:04 PM

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Got my ID 1000s back in and am now the proud owner of an extra, out of spec, injector. To prevent future occurrences ID recommends using a 10 micron fuel filter. $80 plus fittings didn't sound very appetizing so I picked up a WIX 33097 for $11.49+tax. It's a bit bigger than stock and the fittings are in opposite directions but it fits rather well in the same spot.

Car is running better than before but still goes lean under decel (over-run fuel cut disabled) so I think there is a vacuum leak. At least I don't get random stumbles anymore. Maybe a washer or 2 under the fuel rail will help.

ID was awesome to deal with, Andrew was very helpful and communicative and turnaround was much quicker than quoted on their website.

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midpack 12-27-2013 07:51 PM

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With a 50% success rate of UDont-Haul actually having my reserved trailer I wanted something a little more reliable. Missed a couple Craigslist deals over the past few months so I bought this one a few hours after it was posted.

14' with 2' dovetail
new paint and wood installed in August
4 axle straps, 2 ratchet straps, and 2 chains
locking toolbox
electric brakes
removable fender

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Sorry for the tiny pictures, they're from the ad and it was dark by the time I got back with it.

Picked up a Prodigy on the way home from work today (thanks etrailer!) and I'll test the brakes out tomorrow when it goes to storage. Does it matter which axle you brake? He said they were installed on the rear. The Internets has conflicting opinions - front because weight transfer or rear because rotational torque on the equalizer. The because racecar option was often mentioned, but this is MO and legally I don't need no stinking brakes. I'm ahead of the midwest redneck curve already with one axle so who needs two. :rofl:

But seriously, I will install another set if I'm not happy with how it stops.

Fireindc 12-28-2013 01:37 PM

Nice trailer! Is that your truck behind it? If so, damn nice rig. I'm sure it will stop fine.

midpack 12-28-2013 04:21 PM

Thanks! I've seen a few nice ones sell for similar pricing and regretted not jumping on some of them so when I saw this one I just had to have it.

That's the PO's truck, he towed this trailer behind a 5th wheel camper with that Ford. I'm towing with a 2011 Nissan Frontier. This rides, and especially brakes, much better than the Uhaul trailers I towed with last year. Once we get another nice weekend I'll repack bearings, adjust brakes, and install some LED lights. Really looking forward to first track day of 2014.

To help keep myself motivated to start some winter car projects, here's a slow lap around Hallett. Seriously, I was faster in 2012. It's time to step up the game and drive like a man.


midpack 12-28-2013 06:55 PM

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In the past hour and a half I've decided to revert the car back to stock.



The rear sway bar anyway. Out comes the FM bar and in goes the stock one which just so happens to be the same bar 949 recommends. Win.

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midpack 02-20-2014 12:08 AM

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Removed a few things tonight and was pleasantly surprised at how much the power steering bits weigh. Never noticed how many, and how long some of the hoses are. It's been so cold this winter I haven't wanted to work on the car but it feels great to be back at it.

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midpack 02-26-2014 08:26 PM

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A proper depower is the only depower. Thanks Abe!

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midpack 03-07-2014 12:52 AM

And tonight I figured out just how fucking stupid I am. Installed new engine mounts last Friday and snapped the the passenger side subframe stud torquing it to the correct value. Well it would have been the correct value if I didn't set my torque wrench in ft-lb to the listed Nm value. Yup I tried to torque it to 70 ft-lbs. No that didn't work out very well. Surprisingly the driver side held. Replacement came in today and I actually read the chart instead of just glancing at it. Funny how it all went together this time.

Mazduh 03-07-2014 04:34 PM

Your build is like the same as my msm setup. Subbed! +1

EO2K 03-07-2014 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by midpack (Post 1057720)
Got my ID 1000s back in and am now the proud owner of an extra, out of spec, injector. To prevent future occurrences ID recommends using a 10 micron fuel filter. $80 plus fittings didn't sound very appetizing so I picked up a WIX 33097 for $11.49+tax. It's a bit bigger than stock and the fittings are in opposite directions but it fits rather well in the same spot.

So I'm going to bring this back up so I can ask a couple questions... did Andrew explain how these might have got out of spec, and are you running the WIX 33097 with the flow reversed? If its "a bit bigger" I'm wondering if it fits with the stock bracket/clips? Found this looking for fuel filter info so figured I'd ask.

Also, if returning to stock, why remove PS?

Thanks!

midpack 03-07-2014 10:25 PM

This is all going from memory and well I've killed a lot of brain cells since then so this may be completely off base. A foreign object is lodged in the injector somewhere and got there from running a filter larger than ID recommends. I bought the injectors used and ran them with a stock filter, I don't know what the PO used but I've seen very little talk of 10 micron filters so I suspect it was not what it should be. Replacing that injector was not a requirement, he mentioned my car would still run quite well with it slightly out of spec but I went for it anyway. Didn't make much sense to pay all the extra money for IDs and then run them in a sub-par configuration. Besides, they discount replacements for an out-of-spec injector.

It fits in the stock location and with the stock bracket. Think I bent it a little bit and maybe replaced a bolt with a zip tie. If I get around to pulling the charcoal canister, or just get the ass end up in the air, I'll snap some pics. Input/output ports are in a different location than stock so you'll have to rearrange the plumbing a bit but it all goes together OK.

Flow is as specified by Wix, not reversed.

That was a lame joke. Car is moving further and further from stock, I just put the stock rear sway back on.

Just got my MS2 back from Reverant, upgraded to the latest version, and as soon as I get the car back together it goes to an A/C shop to vacuum out the R134a. If the lack of a condenser and slightly better ducting doesn't keep it cool on the track the head comes off, 99-00 gasket and a reroute goes on.

midpack 03-21-2014 11:32 PM

Installed some new rear brake lines. The orange is good for 4.5 hp at least. Good guy Emilio puts the banjo bolt torque values on the package. Seriously, thanks for that. I would have just snugged them up based on feel and been way over the prescribed 12-14ftlbs.

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ARP extended length studs are the shit. Figured they would be a good idea with the 5mm spacer up front and now I want them in the rear too.

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Wasn't thinking and pulled the metal under-shield off to bleed the clutch. Ended up being a good idea, the turbo brace bolt was sitting right on top of it. Guess I forgot to tighten it during the motor mount install. Both the bolt and washer were just sitting there. What luck.

midpack 03-21-2014 11:40 PM

Oh yeah. A/C is gone now too. Everything but the evaporator. Based on how much the condenser weighs it doesn't seem worth the trouble.

midpack 04-11-2014 11:10 PM

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Oil cooler upgrade time. Rivnuts are awesome but either I suck at installing them, or it's worth paying $60 for the tool. In the process of installing 12 of them I've gone through 8 bolts and trashed 5 rivnuts. Some of them are expanding at an angle and I can't figure out why.

Top bracket will be mounted once I get the ducting sides cut and mounted. Using 1/8" ABS which will be bolted to the frame with holes drilled through for 90* brackets which then get bolted to the top aluminum angle.

So far I'm pretty happy with how it's turned out, for once something is I built looks like it did in my head. Only concern is the flexibility of 1/16" angle, it felt much stiffer in the store. Rebuilding it with 1/8" is going to suck.

Bracket
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Driver's side lower mount
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Passenger's side lower mount
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View from above
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midpack 06-04-2014 01:25 PM

Been a while since I've posted anything. Passengers now enjoy the same creature comforts as I do. Harnesses and race seats for all. It only took Ultrashield 11 weeks to ship my seat. I know it was a bad time to order it, but seriously that is ridiculous.

Added a Home Depot Racing catch can / separator to the PCV line. So far it's stayed empty which is a little surprising since the intake clearly shows evidence that oil was running through the line previously. I need to take the manifold apart and clean it out to determine if this is actually doing any good.

No pics because I am lazy and y'all know what these things look like.

I spent the weekend in at Heartland Park in Topeka with NASA. Awesome event, they did a fantastic job keeping us entertained. Friday night was drag night and there was an 8.2 second RX-7. That thing is a serious beast.

Saturday started off really well, my phone decided it wasn't going to charge via USB or the car dock. 3 different cables and 2 different cars. Thought I had Shadow Dash logging in the background but apparently not. Fortunately it randomly decided to charge again before the 2nd session. Apparently lots of Galaxy Nexus owners have had this problem.

Sessions 2 and 3 were completely wasted. 3rd lap on session 2 and I blew a charge pipe coupler. 2nd lap of session 3 I blew the off a different coupler that was compromised to ensure the first issue didn't reoccur. Fucking awesome.

The gods of racing took pitty and allowed for a full 4th session, MS hiccup be damned. Bask in my glory of sloppy driving.



Day 2 was much better, lost only half a session all day long. We ran the full 2.5 mile course on Sunday and it was awesome.


midpack 07-03-2014 06:43 PM

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Picture time! These are from Heartland Park a few weeks ago.

Parking next to a Corvette sure does make a Miata look tiny.

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midpack 07-03-2014 07:13 PM

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So I had lots of problems keeping charge piping together at HPT. Lost 45 minutes of track time because of it. Something had to be done.

Dad busted out the stick welder and made this for me. I did a really bad job of explaining how it worked but once it was done it made perfect sense. Works great too. Only took a few minutes to bead all the new piping.

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This section right here was my nemesis at HPT. Lost the IC side first, even though I've run for several years with no bead on that pipe. Then after compromising the upstream joint in an effort to make it stay attached at the IC, I lost it next. Lost the IC side again late in a session on Sunday. New piping all stayed together for a weekend of fun at Hallett.

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This is where I first realized, though should have known, the turbo outlet is 1.5" and the crossover pipe expands to 2". Couldn't find a 1.5" to 2.5" elbow so the stock 90 was reused and another joint added for a straight reducer.

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Mazduh 07-03-2014 08:03 PM

I did the exact same thing except I used 2.25" piping up to a 2.5" reducer at the IC. Where'd you find the molding for the hole your IC piping goes through? I bought a bigger coupler and just threw it there over the pipe.

FrankL 07-04-2014 12:10 AM

We replaced ours too but I machined the adapter from aluminum instead of trying to do it with a coupler.

midpack 07-04-2014 10:44 AM

Vacuum tubing spit down one side. Bought a 50' spool from Amazon for cheap and use it for everything. 2.5" is very much overkill but I figured since the IC was 2.5" why not run it all the way.

FrankL 07-04-2014 11:14 AM

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midpack 07-04-2014 12:12 PM

Damn that looks good. I'm only 5 hours away, how about you bring that welder up and I'll buy the pizza and beer.

FrankL 07-04-2014 01:35 PM

I feel like we gained lots of throttle response from replumbing. Just seat of the pants of course. Best part is we lost almost 10lbs. We are going to do the other side of the intercooler after we finish the intake manifold project.

FrankL 07-04-2014 01:36 PM

By the way what kind of times are you running at Hallett?

midpack 07-04-2014 04:00 PM

1:30 2 weeks ago on 205 Rivals and the new pavement. Disappointing since I had a 1:29 a couple years ago on 225 RS3 and I'd like to think I'm a better driver now. Are you going to Miatas@Hallett in September?

midpack 09-18-2014 08:33 PM

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Either it's time for a new turbo or someone installed intake and exhaust oil injection ports while I wasn't looking.

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midpack 09-19-2014 12:05 AM

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Something is missing here...

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Oh, yes, this little guy.

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slmhofy 09-19-2014 12:11 AM

Where did you find it? Hopefully in your intercooler?

midpack 09-19-2014 12:48 AM

Stuck in the compressor housing, it was very slightly wedged in the fins and came loose soon as I started to spin and prod the wheel.

I'm looking at a few options now. Leaning towards a 2560 and keeping it in the sweet spot of <250hp/tq, or possibly a 2871 and trying to keep boost low enough to not bend rods. Built motor is not in the budget right now.

With that I'm either going FM MSM kit which includes oil/water lines to match stock locations (super easy install) or ARTech Axial and figuring out my own plumbing (performance ftw!). 3" exhaust as either a complete package or adapting to my existing Corksport cat-back and removing that stupid MSM-only dip at the dp/mp joint.

I really like the idea of a 2560 for awesome spool now and upgrading to a 2871 down the line when the motor can be rebuilt. A 300hp street monster and 250hp reliable track beast is very enticing.

Mazduh 09-19-2014 11:39 AM

I'm in the same boat. I'm feeling the FM setup pretty good. Just cause I'm slightly lazy.

ReallyRottenTurbo 09-19-2014 11:42 AM

Awesome MSM!

midpack 09-19-2014 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Mazduh (Post 1168557)
I'm in the same boat. I'm feeling the FM setup pretty good. Just cause I'm slightly lazy.

It's expensive, especially once you upgrade to a 3" exhaust. But oh so easy and complete. FM kit will install in an afternoon, diy will take me weeks trying to find and get parts. It's the oil and water lines I really want, I think those will be the hardest to source. What turbo are you going with?


Originally Posted by ReallyRottenTurbo (Post 1168560)
Awesome MSM!

Thanks!

EO2K 09-19-2014 12:45 PM

Ouch... was that the stock IHI turbo?

Mazduh 09-19-2014 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by midpack (Post 1168577)
It's expensive, especially once you upgrade to a 3" exhaust. But oh so easy and complete. FM kit will install in an afternoon, diy will take me weeks trying to find and get parts. It's the oil and water lines I really want, I think those will be the hardest to source. What turbo are you going with?



Thanks!

Probably the same as you, the 2560r. I was considering sourcing a 2860rgtx since their almost the same price, but I as well don't really have the funds for a built motor right now and the 2860 is just too much of a tease. I can always upgrade down the road later and recoupe some costs selling the 2560.

The goal is 230-240hp stock motor. I can only seem to flow about 210 on the stock ihi. Kinda expensive for a 20-30hp increase, but I figure the 2560 will give some better top end and be under less stress than maxing out the little IHI.

I was considering just going to BNR and having the stocker rebuilt and upgraded to a small 16g, that way I can retain my piping and stuff, put for the $1300 they want, mineswell just do the whole thing.

What do you run for a front swaybar? Do you run one in the rear?

midpack 09-19-2014 04:20 PM

Yes, stock IHI turbo.

Wow we really are in the same boat and are thinking the same things. Either we're both crazy or we're on to something. Savington recommends the 2871 vs 2860 but I don't know if that changes vs the GTX. It gives yuou a more headroom with minimal loss of spool.

Front sway: FM
Rear sway: stock MSM
Running the original version of FM VMaxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Xida upgrade funds have been redirected to a new turbo setup

FrankL 09-23-2014 07:54 AM

Did the tip of the shaft break? Happen at Hallett?

midpack 09-23-2014 10:58 PM

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Yep, end of my 3rd session Friday morning of Miatas@Hallett.

Shaft broke on the exhaust side. There's just a tiny bit of shaft play now

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I think this turbine is totally salvageable, just need a file and bit of JB Weld

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Ryephile 09-23-2014 11:12 PM

Fun read up until the broken turbo. Any idea what caused it?

FrankL 09-24-2014 10:04 AM

Wow. That's serious carnage. Sucks!

midpack 09-26-2014 07:05 PM

Ordered some parts today.

1.8 NB Axial Manifold
3" SG Downpipe
Test Pipe
Exhaust w/ 5x8x18 Magnaflow

EO2K 09-26-2014 11:22 PM

Did someone drop some cheddar on ARTech?

midpack 09-28-2014 01:49 AM

That I did. Trying to decide if I want to wait 3 additional weeks to have it ceramic coated.

midpack 12-05-2014 07:57 PM

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The wait is almost over.

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midpack 12-15-2014 12:41 AM

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Installed some parts this weekend. Abe does some fantastic work, very impressed. Waiting on a few things to button it up, maybe next weekend it will be ready for a first start.

So much room around the turbo. Installation was a breeze.
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I don't know how, but there is plenty of clearance around this big ass exhaust.
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Lots of clearance everywhere...but here. The tip also get crushed slightly in transit, a lack of packaging no doubt contributed to the damage.
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Onyxyth 12-19-2014 10:13 AM

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Hey that Turbo looks familiar ;)

Looks good. The tip on my Artech exhaust was bent from shipping as well. Looked almost exactly like that. I straightened it with a few good hits from a ball peen hammer.

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midpack 12-21-2014 04:48 PM

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Abe offered to send an exhaust expander to fix the tip. That guy is seriously awesome.

I got pissed off and quit yesterday when I got to the oil drain. No way are the AN fittings going to fit, they run straight into the steering shaft. Not that it matters, I'd need some angled fittings anyway. Didn't realize just how short of a line I need.

Here's a shot with the 1/2" NPT to AN10 fitting installed.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1419198520

Schuyler 12-21-2014 05:01 PM

Is that one v-band 90 piece to replace the axle-back with a turn down? And if so, what are you doing about the lack of hangers on the midpipe?

aidandj 12-21-2014 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by midpack (Post 1191037)
Abe offered to send an exhaust expander to fix the tip. That guy is seriously awesome.

I got pissed off and quit yesterday when I got to the oil drain. No way are the AN fittings going to fit, they run straight into the steering shaft. Not that it matters, I'd need some angled fittings anyway. Didn't realize just how short of a line I need.

Here's a shot with the 1/2" NPT to AN10 fitting installed.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1419198520

I just dealt with this. Check out the last couple posts in my build thread for how I fixed it. I ended up with push lock fittings because they were shorter.

Also doesn't the oil drain need to be pointed straight down?

midpack 12-21-2014 06:12 PM

Thanks, I might give that a try. Integrated AN10 fitting on the flange would also give me a little more room.

I've got a 90* AN fitting for the feed and it doesn't fit with the drain pointed straight down. Garrett says the oil drain can be clocked up to 35*

IcantDo55 12-22-2014 01:09 AM

Subed for info. Good build man. Hope to be working on my MSM soon.

Lokiel 12-22-2014 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by midpack (Post 1189553)

Do whatever you can to make some decent clearance between the exhaust and bumper, even if it means cutting up your bumper to achieve it - burnt rear bumpers look and smell nasty.

midpack 12-22-2014 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by Lokiel (Post 1191342)
Do whatever you can to make some decent clearance between the exhaust and bumper, even if it means cutting up your bumper to achieve it - burnt rear bumpers look and smell nasty.

No need to cut things up, longer exhaust hangers will do the trick. The melted bits in the picture are from my old exhaust, before replacing rubber hangers with urethane.

FM sells a nice set of urethane "long" hangers, I think they are a bit too long for my use. May pickup another set somewhere between stock and the FM long ones, it hangs a bit too low for my liking. After I get it running that is. Ordered a box of parts to redo the oil feed and drain lines.


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