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cordycord 10-13-2023 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1642034)
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that you have probably never used any of the current-gen AI image generating tools.

They don't "reimagine" things. The term "AI" isn't even correct here. They respond to very specific prompts, such as "A Rabbi wearing a black robe and a black hat, standing behind a counter at a drugstore, handing bottles of poison to smiling children. In the style of Norman Rockwell."

Between the content, and the username of the person hosting the image gallery, I find it very difficult to believe that you didn't know this.


As an example, I just created one. The prompt is "A group of people holding kittens, in the style of Norman Rockwell."

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...dca64f5e24.png


I didn't prompt the AI to include racist or anti-Jewish imagery, so it did not.

Same prompt, only Van Gogh this time:

Still no antisemitism...

I've used AI-generated for questionnaire prompts for a committee I belong to for my city. My wife has used it to generate sales Pablum for auction items for a charity function. I've never used it to generate cat pictures, no.

The point of the Rockwell-themed pictures of woke America was to stir debate...to look at issues from another perspective. Is that racist? I'm not looking for racism so maybe that's why I didn't see any.

Joe Perez 10-13-2023 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1642038)
I'm not looking for racism so maybe that's why I didn't see any.

Roger that.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f7f574028f.png


cordycord 10-13-2023 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1642039)

Someone help me. If you're graphically depicting "wokism" as the racism that it is, is that itself racist?

cordycord 10-13-2023 09:37 PM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0f85763ec6.jpg

Joe Perez 10-13-2023 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by stratosteve (Post 1642036)
Your AI needs more DEI.

True enough. With no prompting to the contrary, the software did in fact have a bias towards white kittens.


After several iterations, I managed to get it to produce racially-diverse (all non-white) kittens. Also, four of them are trans or non-binary.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cc70365f3b.png


#CatLivesMatter.




LeoNA 10-15-2023 01:42 PM

Context and dateline are very important. I’m no expert on history or religion, but weren’t the Jews there first until the muslims forced them out? This is all based on belief and feelings of such.


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1642028)
It is interesting how, a week ago we were un-ironically posting links to literal neo-Nazi propaganda, and today we're praising the Jews for being peaceful and just wanting to co-exist with their neighbors whose land they annexed and kicked them out of.


Bajingo 10-15-2023 07:51 PM

Is there any option to hate both sides of that conflict?

cordycord 10-15-2023 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by LeoNA (Post 1642068)
Context and dateline are very important. I’m no expert on history or religion, but weren’t the Jews there first until the muslims forced them out? This is all based on belief and feelings of such.

Muslims didn't come on the scene until around a.d. 700, I think. Jews were there 1,000 years before Christ. But Arabs and Jews have been on that land since day one. They share the same basic DNA, so the issue isn't race as much as religion or culture.

If you move this concept (who was first?) to other parts of the world, it gets a bit muddy. Who gets the land in the Ukraine / Russia war? The Greeks, Romans, Huns, Goths, Mongols, Lithuanians, Ottomans? They all controlled it at one point. Or how about the Nazis?

TurboTim 10-16-2023 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 1642012)
From spending a year living between Egypt and Israel: The Jewish want to share an open peaceful state with everyone. The Sunni Muslims want the Jewish eradicated from the face of the planet.

How do you coexist with someone who wants you dead? It's not been for a lack of trying.

From spending 30 years living between Toms River and Lakewood: The (Orthodox) Jewish do not want to share an open peaceful state with anyone but the (Orthodox) Jewish.

Replace the word "Jewish" with anything else and the above still applies though.

Braineack 10-16-2023 10:50 AM

peak 2023.

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Stock 10-16-2023 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1642072)
Is there any option to hate both sides of that conflict?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2a68ceecaa.jpg

LeoNA 10-16-2023 12:35 PM

In general, it is typical to side against the initiator of an atrocity. Lets face it if someone came to this country and did what hamas did we would take over their country.

LeoNA 10-16-2023 12:37 PM

So, living in NJ makes you an expert on Orthodox Jews? I grew up there as well and don't really know much about them. Even after knowing many of them.



Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 1642084)
From spending 30 years living between Toms River and Lakewood: The (Orthodox) Jewish do not want to share an open peaceful state with anyone but the (Orthodox) Jewish.

Replace the word "Jewish" with anything else and the above still applies though.


Bajingo 10-16-2023 12:42 PM

We should just skip everything and blame the British for this.

Joe Perez 10-16-2023 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by LeoNA (Post 1642097)
Lets face it if someone came to this country and did what hamas did we would take over their country.

If you think back to the 16th & 17th centuries, isn't that pretty much what "We" did?

Europeans showed up in North America and said "Ah, yes. This is a good land. It is divine provenance that we should take it for ourselves, without regard for the people who already live here."

Then the darker-skinned folks, who didn't appreciate this annexation, got all murder-y. So we herded some of them into resettlement camps (reservations), and slaughtered the ones who didn't cooperate.





Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1642099)
We should just skip everything and blame the British for this.

It is, in point of actual fact, their fault.

Had the British not gotten all soft and decided to prioritize creating a new homeland for the Jews, there'd be no state of Israel today, and thus no threat of nuclear war in the Med.

Fun fact: North-western Australia was one of the sites considered by the British in which to create the new Jewish state. That one probably would have worked out a lot better for all involved, and it's not entirely clear why the idea failed to take hold.

LeoNA 10-16-2023 12:51 PM

These disputes will never end. The muslims hate the christians and jews.

TurboTim 10-16-2023 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by LeoNA (Post 1642098)
So, living in NJ makes you an expert on Orthodox Jews? I grew up there as well and don't really know much about them. Even after knowing many of them.

I was replying to fooger03 who stated the Jews want an open peaceful state with everyone, after living between Egypt and Israel for a year. I lived (and still work) amongst the Orthodox Jews as neighbors in their community for all of my life except for those spent in school (lolz at Orthodox Jews in public schools can you imagine haha, and they weren't yet in my neighborhood when I was a child). The only experts on Orthodox Jews are male Orthodox Jews. While individually the males can be pleasant to interact with, they are directed to expand their community by any and all 'peaceful' methods. If you're not an Orthodox Jew and they want your land they will ultimately get it. I can see someone some antisemite not liking that.

LeoNA 10-16-2023 03:52 PM

So you’re saying they’re like the mafia and that is why people resent them? I’m going to have to disagree. I find them to be more introverted and restricted by their religion. Definitely like to work within their network, but are not nearly as competitive as most US citizens or other nationalities. I’m not sure anyone would be welcoming after being persecuted for 3kyrs.



Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 1642103)
I was replying to fooger03 who stated the Jews want an open peaceful state with everyone, after living between Egypt and Israel for a year. I lived (and still work) amongst the Orthodox Jews as neighbors in their community for all of my life except for those spent in school (lolz at Orthodox Jews in public schools can you imagine haha, and they weren't yet in my neighborhood when I was a child). The only experts on Orthodox Jews are male Orthodox Jews. While individually the males can be pleasant to interact with, they are directed to expand their community by any and all 'peaceful' methods. If you're not an Orthodox Jew and they want your land they will ultimately get it. I can see someone some antisemite not liking that.


TurboTim 10-17-2023 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by LeoNA (Post 1642109)
So you’re saying they’re like the mafia and that is why people resent them? ... I’m not sure anyone would be welcoming after being persecuted for 3kyrs.

Based on what I know about the mafia from TV, I think there are more ways they are different from that mafia than they are similar. I only said the Orthodox Jews prefer sharing their community with Orthodox Jews, that this is not unique to Orthodox Jews, and that they are driven to expand their community and culture in ways that can seem aggressive by those outside the Jewish faith and ethnicity.

Joe Perez 10-17-2023 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 1642156)
I only said the Orthodox Jews prefer sharing their community with Orthodox Jews, that this is not unique to Orthodox Jews, and that they are driven to expand their community and culture in ways that can seem aggressive by those outside the Jewish faith and ethnicity.

I wonder how many people with agree with the following characterization, which broadly stereotypes the attitudes of the three major Abrahamic religions concerning those outside of their own faith into a simple, one-dimensional stereotype:

Christians: "Convert the non-believers!"

Muslims: "Kill the non-believers!"

Jews: "Screw the non-believers. They can't join our club."


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