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Old 12-20-2014, 11:59 AM   #1
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As compared to gasoline-powered cars, vehicles fueled by ethenol increase environmental health impacts by 80%, and EVs charged off the grid increase environmental health impacts by 200% (they kill a lot more people.)

The full paper: Life cycle air quality impacts of conventional and alternative light-duty transportation in the United States

Paper is written by reputable environmental scientists in academic with no financial stake in transportation fuel, and published by the National Academy of Sciences.
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and that's all wiped out when 1 volcano erupts, right?
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Unless you have figured out a way to build a volcano-powered car, no.
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Interesting article, thanks for sharing it, Joe.

Something interesting I noticed is the lack of discussion of EV nuclear powered vehicles. 20% of our power generation in the US is by nuclear fuel (40% by coal). It would be pretty easy to use this study as part of a baseline to further push the power generation by nuclear fuel agenda.
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Someone posted an article, which led me to doing some research, which lead to other articles...you get the idea.

So. Thorium reactors. Why haven't we got them all over by now? Yes, I know, politics and stupid people. But bear with me a sec.

Assume some rich guy likes them. Not your average won the lottery type guy, but someone with huge financial reserves. Gates, Buffet, Koch bros, etc. They have the finances to push past the BS, to actually get something built. Maybe start by replacing an existing plant. It seems to me that some of the more visionary types (Elon Musk?) would jump all over this. Once one is in place, I think it's safe to say we'd see dozens within a few years, and hundreds within a decade.

Other than the typical ignorance surrounding nukes, what is stopping this from happening? Or is ignorance really so prevalent in this country among those that make the decisions?
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In Fallout lore, fossil fuel reserves dried up and everything went nuclear powered, including cars.



This idea apparently came from an idea Ford had for a nuclear powered concept car

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Nuclear powered cars are no concept.
In 1985, a scientist by the name of Dr. Emmett Brown built a plutonium powered Delorean.
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^was also powered by bananas and beer cans in a pinch.

So how about model s charged completely by solar? Still bad new for the planet?
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^**** yeah it's still bad. Solar panels create microwave radiation, and cause the deformation of water molecules. Which is why most hybrid owners are victims of hate crimes.
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Nuclear powered cars are no concept.
In 1985, a scientist by the name of Dr. Emmett Brown built a plutonium powered Delorean.
The internal combustion engine runs on ordinary gasoline; it always has.
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So how about model s charged completely by solar?
Have you seen a solar panel factory?



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The internal combustion engine runs on ordinary gasoline; it always has.
Not sure if serious...
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Someone posted an article, which led me to doing some research, which lead to other articles...you get the idea.

So. Thorium reactors. Why haven't we got them all over by now? Yes, I know, politics and stupid people.
Without spending a second on Wikipedia wasn't India supposed to work on sub-critical Thorium reactors, mostly due to their abundance of Thorium and no accessible Uranium?
I have not heard much in mainstream news for several years.

Vehicles driven by direct electricity (overhead wires or inductive) and having a spare engine to use on non-powered roads might have some merit, all other electrical solutions seems to be doomed on a large scale (e.g. 30+% of all transports).
There are special cases where I would not mind an electric one (commuting and free charging at work), but that is based on European level of taxes on dino fuel and no extra (transportation related) taxes on electricity (yet). Give it some volume and those taxes need to be sourced somehow.
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Not sure if serious...
It's a direct quote from Dr. Emmett Brown. Although the time machine's time circuits were powered by 1.21 Jiggywatts (Hollywood says it's an SI unit of power, wanna fight about it?) of electricity, the car always moved under the gasoline engine's power (except when it flew due to the hover conversion it underwent in 2015 or when a steam locomotive pushed it in 1885).

It's science.
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Touché.
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Pretty sure gigga watts is an SI unit.
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Pretty sure gigga watts is an SI unit.
Like a Honda Civic Si?
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Pretty sure gigga watts is an SI unit.
Watt is an SI unit (Kg* m² / s³), Giga is a unit prefix (10⁹).
"jiggy" is a Hollywood unit prefix.

A Googolwatt might be larger than a Jiggywatt, but who cares
What's a Jizzywhat?
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I'm sure he said a word which he pronounced, ' jiggah what'.

Jiggah what = giggawatt?
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For example, the format '.gif' is pronounced jiff
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