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Old 11-17-2016, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
Proof that no political party has a monopoly on stupidity!
Yeah, and this **** about adversity from people who have never had arms or legs blown off in a war, never watched their father butchered while their mother was raped by soldiers, never went 5 days without food and sold their body for a meal, never looked their 5 year old child who was dying of cancer in the eyes and told them it was going to be ok when you knew it was a lie, cooked and served the flesh of a dead person you found in the street to your children to keep them from starving to death, **** them. Selfish, arrogant whiners, highly insulated from real adversity and therefore possessing no perspective past the end of their own noses. If I wasn't such a decent fellow I'd offer to pluck their eyes out and skull-**** them to death.

Our society has it very, very good. We have one of the best standards of living for our lower classes of any place and time in the history of the world. The most worthless, lazy bastards in our society have it so good here they really don't need to do anything to survive. Free food, free health care, free day care, free schools, free shelter, relative safety, what do they lack? But therein lies the problem. When it is too easy, people become soft, weak, stupid, lazy, fat, selfish. They manufacture strife in their own heads with which to be concerned. This is what societal decline looks like. We almost need strife to temper our metal and to make us resilient at this point. I hope it doesn't come in the form of foreign invasion after decades of internal rot.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
Yeah, and this **** about adversity from people who have never had arms or legs blown off in a war, never watched their father butchered while their mother was raped by soldiers, never went 5 days without food and sold their body for a meal, never looked their 5 year old child who was dying of cancer in the eyes and told them it was going to be ok when you knew it was a lie, cooked and served the flesh of a dead person you found in the street to your children to keep them from starving to death, **** them. Selfish, arrogant whiners, highly insulated from real adversity and therefore possessing no perspective past the end of their own noses. If I wasn't such a decent fellow I'd offer to pluck their eyes out and skull-**** them to death.

Our society has it very, very good. We have one of the best standards of living for our lower classes of any place and time in the history of the world. The most worthless, lazy bastards in our society have it so good here they really don't need to do anything to survive. Free food, free health care, free day care, free schools, free shelter, relative safety, what do they lack? But therein lies the problem. When it is too easy, people become soft, weak, stupid, lazy, fat, selfish. They manufacture strife in their own heads with which to be concerned. This is what societal decline looks like. We almost need strife to temper our metal and to make us resilient at this point. I hope it doesn't come in the form of foreign invasion after decades of internal rot.
I think people saying what you're saying right now have been saying it for a long time.

I also don't think that the relativism works all that well. Just because you haven't seen stuff worse than what you've seen doesn't mean you don't have it bad or that you can't be grateful for what you have.

There are some places in our society that have pretty poor access to things like healthcare, adequate nutrition, etc than a lot of places that have it far worse than the average american.

12.7% of american's were food insecure in 2015. That's not insignificant. (Source: USDA ERS - Sections)
Obesity is often linked to poor nutrition, because **** food is cheap. Also one of the reasons why our childhood obesity rate is growing.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
12.7% of american's were food insecure in 2015. That's not insignificant. (Source: USDA ERS - Sections)
Obesity is often linked to poor nutrition, because **** food is cheap. Also one of the reasons why our childhood obesity rate is growing.
did you happen to look in which states the highest occurrences of this was happening?

LA is ranked third. They have plenty of access to decent food -- they just happen to bread and fry it all.

there's also a link between North Korean leaders being fat and their citizens being bone-thin.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
did you happen to look in which states the highest occurrences of this was happening?

LA is ranked third. They have plenty of access to decent food -- they just happen to bread and fry it all.

there's also a link between North Korean leaders being fat and their citizens being bone-thin.
Access is determined by proximity and cost. Cost is often prohibitive and prices of groceries are often higher in a city. Then again, I believe in certain barriers to access of that food even if it's available, which I suspect you may not.

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Poor people eat unhealthy food because it tastes good, not because their neighborhood grocer doesn't carry enough varieties of kale.

I firmly believe that many of the poor are poor because of circumstances are largely out of their own control, but that still leaves a lot of poor people that are poor because they repeatedly choose immediate gratification rather than planning to reach long term goals. This includes food and diet choices.
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I do not consider myself poor and i eat **** food because it tastes good. But I also grew up learning about eating healthy, how to cook healthy, and I also have the time.

Lots of lower income people don't have the time to cook healthy food.

So if you are stuck with pre prepared food, because you just got off your 18 hour shift. Name one healthy option that is cheaper than the mcdees dollar menu.

Calorie to dollars that is.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
not because their neighborhood grocer doesn't carry enough varieties of kale.
Poverty in this country tends to be clustered in:

1. Inner city ghettoes; or
2. Out in the boonies.

In both circumstances, grocery store access, quality and price is far different than it would be in an affluent suburb. The reasons are economic. In circumstance #1, there is enough population to justify a store, but the crime rate/risk is such that it inhibits the provision of services. In circumstance #2, well, there just aren't enough people.
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I'm sure all those things are true and play a factor in the larger picture.

​​​But suggesting "no access" as the primary cause is a massive oversimplification. You could drop a half-price Whole Foods into the middle of West Jackson and I promise you the people that live in those neighborhoods will not be buying fresh vegetables and grass fed beef.

And sure, eating really healthy isn't cheap. But you can buy a rotisserie chicken, some dry rice, and some green beans or carrots pretty darn cheaply and have a meal that's a million times healthier than combo meal #3.
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Grocery stores in cities also tend to have higher prices than in the suburbs. If you use public transportation, there are often rules that you can't carry more than x amount of bags with you. Buying in bulk is cheaper, but you can't really carry all that much stuff with you if you're forced to walk between public transportation routes depending on where you live.
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You guys won't believe me when I tell you this. The ONLY supermarket located in Detroit is Whole Foods. Everything else is just small little save lands.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
Access is determined by proximity and cost.
Twelve states exhibited statistically significantly higher household food-insecurity rates than the U.S. national average 2013-2015 (13.7%)[vii]:
  1. Mississippi 20.8 %
  2. Arkansas 19.2 %
  3. Louisiana 18.4 %
  4. Alabama 17.6 %
  5. Kentucky 17.6 %
  6. Ohio 16.1 %
  7. Oregon 16.1 %
  8. North Carolina 15.9 %
  9. Maine 15.8 %
  10. Oklahoma 15.5 %
  11. Texas 15.4 %
  12. Tennessee 15.1 %
This could just be a flaw in the measurement.




The state is mostly un-populated save for a few cities and coastline. If the way they determine food-insecurtiy is by access, then that's a completely flawed way to measure.


Cost is often prohibitive
You can blame the left for this, the same people who say they want to help the poor:



Forcing manufacturers to pay wages higher than what the job is worth has CAUSED higher food costs--literally defeats the purpose.

But at the same time, people with these shitty jobs (that a robot could do), have MORE purchasing power than ever:





and prices of groceries are often higher in a city.
Cities are ******* expensive, yet full of poor people without jobs. Who's fault is that? Move to MS, get a job in manufacturing and buy some eggs by the dozen.


From BLS:




So if the typical American family feels squeezed, what's squeezing us?


I have two answers: The first answer is housing and cars. Half of that orange "other" slice is transportation costs: mostly cars, gas, and public transit. A century ago, if you recall, 80% of families were renters and nobody owned a car. Today, more than 60% of families are home owners, and practically everybody owns a car.*

The other answer, which you can't see as clearly in this chart, is health care. Health-care spending makes up more than 16% of the U.S. economy, but only 6% of family spending, according to the CES. One reason for the gap is that most medical spending isn't out of our pockets. Employers pay workers' premiums and government foots the bill for the elderly and the low-income. Government spending on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid has quadrupled since the 1950s in the most meaningful measurement, which is share of GDP.

In short, health care costs are squeezing Americans. But the details of this squeeze elude the color-wheel above. We are paying for health care with taxes, borrowing, and compensation that goes to health benefits, rather than wages.

Food costs/access isn't the problem, your gansta rap lifestyle is.
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CEOs shouldn't drunk post:

CEO Who Threatened to Kill Trump Now Blames Drunkenness

Former PacketSled CEO Matt Harrigan is blaming being drunk for posting a death threat against President-elect Donald Trump on Election Day last week.

Harriman has apologized for the post, and has temporarily moved his family. He has also faced an interview with the United States Secret Service.

...

The night of the November 8, 2016 presidential election, Harrigan posted several threatening messages to his personal Facebook page: “I’m going to kill the president. Elect.” and “Bring it secret service.”

Those were followed by messages that went into greater detail, as shown on Reddit.

“Nope, getting a sniper rifle and perching myself where it counts. Find a bedroom in the whitehouse that suits you mother*******. I’ll find you,” another post read. And yet another, “In no uncertain terms, f*** you America. Seriously. F*** off.”

Harrigan told local 10 News that a Facebook friend shared the comment from Facebook to Twitter and it went viral. In the interview with 10 News, Harrigan said of seeing the comments go viral two days later, “I was blown away and that was the moment I knew that that wow, I, ya know, something that I said completely off the cuff that I obviously have no intention of participating in, um, while drinking on Election Night, has now made it out to somewhere that it never belonged.”

The U.S. Secret Service took the death threats seriously enough to conduct the interview this week. They did not comment at the time on whether there would be charges, according to the local news outlet.
it been broughten.
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I can feed a family of four a homemade meal of healthy meat and vegetable stew for less than the cost of a $7 pack of Newports (looked up the average price in L.A.).

There are a few Americans that are poor due to bad luck. But most are poor due to repeatedly making bad decisions or by choice because they are averse to work or other forms of temporary discomfort (they don't like delayed gratification).

And the people we statistically consider "poor" typically have cell phones, televisions, food, shelter, clean water, medical care, most have automobiles, air conditioning. We shipped a conex shipping container full of goods and met it in the rural countryside of Honduras to distribute it and build things for the last several years in a row. We send doctors and medical supplies, vitamins, clothing, volunteers with building supplies, etc. You know what some of the people there were asking about when we got done with the week? They wanted the cardboard boxes our goods were shipped in so that they could flatten them out and sleep on them rather than on the bare dirt floors of their huts. The cardboard boxes.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
But most are poor due to repeatedly making bad decisions or by choice because they are averse to work or other forms of temporary discomfort (they don't like delayed gratification).
This. 1000x this.

I grew up with divorced parents living in a trailer park. So I got a job, then went to college got a degree and kicked *** at my jobs since then to put myself in my position.

Insert SJW "It's only because you're a white male!!!!!!"

#triggered
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And I'm sure you were not the norm for the trailer park. Most of the rest of the kids your age are probably still living there.

Yes you can work your way out of poverty. And it happens all the time. But without strong role models and an idea of what a functional citizen should be the odds start stacking against you. I have really bad ADHD. My parents were very supportive and helped structure my schooling and keep me on track. They also paid for the medicine that was (and still is) an essential part of my "success" . Now I'm an engineer living a somewhat functional adult life. I have no doubts that if it weren't for my parents ongoing support and good influences. I would have dropped out of high school and be God knows where now.
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1% hoarders.



I'm so glad I have half a brain.
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
This. 1000x this.

I grew up with divorced parents living in a trailer park. So I got a job, then went to college got a degree and kicked *** at my jobs since then to put myself in my position.

Insert SJW "It's only because you're a white male!!!!!!"

#triggered
Another trailer park boy here. Although that might not be surprising to you all...
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Originally Posted by Monk
Another trailer park boy here. Although that might not be surprising to you all...
yeah we can smell you from here.
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