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As did I. My parent have filed for bankruptcy 3 times now. Dad could never figure out why we were broke, but somehow always had a white russian in his hand, smoked 3 packs a day, and always had project toys. The boss of whatever current job was always to blame. Mom didn't have a clue what was going on until very recently.
I figured out the BS pretty young and vowed to never go down that path.
I bought my first house when I was 23 and I made more in my 24th year of life than my parents ever did, combined.
Do you think Pence was triggered by the lack of a safe space?
no, but i bet he was a bit annoyed to be lectured by some leftists when he was there to watch a performance; paying tribute to both them and Hamilton (for some reason). In all honestly, the speech wasn't at all that big of a deal -- at least they weren't spraying **** symbols on jewish churches and pretending it was the evil white nationalist trying to scare them, but it was incredibly condescending -- there is no good reason to think Trump and Pence won't protect them and their families and protect their rights.
But it's a bit insulting to people who actually have a brain and understand the Trump/Pence platform--instead of whatever CNN tells them to think. The actors themselves should actually read up on Hamilton and understand why I am "alarmed" that a play about him is so popular. He was a Statist who fought against the Bill of Rights and called it DANGEROUS! He argued against the very reason we have them and hold them so dearly. He was often opposed by the original framers and we should all be incredibly thankful that the Founders didn't yield much to him. Read about his whiskey tax, that he personally benefited from, and the federal army he lead to march against protesters.
I, personally, can completely understand the appeal of the left viewpoint, moderate or extreme (socialism, communism, nazism, etc) -- these sheep don't take the time to actually understand what makes them "alarmed" and "anxious". They should be alarmed that they are pawn in the democratic platform, who use them in order to establish a victim to fight for--with no intention whatsoever to help. Not only do they blindly praise Hamilton, but they praise and worship other leaders like FDR, who not only registered Japanese and gave them certificates of begin enemies, but also threw them into internment camps -- despite many of them being citizens. But then these snowflakes cry in a corner when Trump says maybe we stop blindly letting certain people into our country before vetting them more thoroughly. and these children protest an election they didn't even vote in, but also gladly pay into Obamacare when they have no money -- a ploy that allows a rich majority to take advantage of a poor minority -- under the guise it's "more affordable." To whom is it more affordable?! The government is literally forcing a minority group to PAY for something they don't need and don't want, in order to fund a wealthy majority. Not only that, but the government is forcing private companies to perform business in a manner that's not sustainable and it's causing them to significant increase costs.
I wasn't talking about any of that. The comments were pretty obviously made because of Pence's history re: LGBT rights.
I'm just laughing at how the right suddenly thinks that safe spaces should exist and Trump thinks people are going after Pence with pitchforks. The audience was doing the boo'ing, not the cast. The cast's only message to Pence was the statement they made at the end of the show and they didn't force him to stay for it. I just think it's so remarkable for folks to argue for free speech until someone says something that they don't like or in a way they don't like then all of a sudden it's magically rude or disrespectful and shouldn't be allowed.
Also, I haven't seen any reports of any liberals going around spray painting swastika's that's reported in any sort of non-conspiratory outlet
A synagogue, also spelled synagog (pronounced /ˈsɪnəɡɒɡ/ from Greek συναγωγή, synagogē, "assembly", Hebrew: בית כנסת Bet Kenesset, "house of assembly" or בית תפילה Bet Tefila, "house of prayer", שול shul, אסנוגה esnoga or קהל kahal), is a Jewish house of prayer.
I think there's a bit of a difference between snowflakes begging for safe spaces and freedom from speech (in a place that's supposed to encourage free-thought and opinion), and asking that a performance just be a performance. I'd also be pissed if I paid to see Kayne West and he talked about Trump for 40mins. I was pissed when I paid $35 to see the Decendents and Milo constantly commented about Trump between songs -- and that was about 40 seconds worth of rhetoric and they are a pretty anti-right band to begin with :P I also didn't riot nor destroy private property when my health insurance rates and gas costs have skyrocketed, and personal freedoms reduced over the last 8 years.
The timing of all the recent vandalism is incredibly convenient--especially when it works for a certain narrative.
Sorry, the only thing I know about religion is what I've learned form South Park.
Another thought on the Hamilton snowflakes: Middle America was so "alarmed" by the left, they came out of voted for a changed; THEIR needs have been ignored for 8 years -- and the left's response is crying, rioting, whining, and being completely unprofessional and disrespectful to all of US.
As CBS2’s Tony Aiello reported, the controversy was sparked by a casting notice posted by the producers of “Hamilton,” which specifically seeks “non-white” performers.
One critic said “Hamilton” takes a story that “valorizes dead white guys” and replaces it with black, Latino and multi-ethnic performers playing America’s founding fathers.
But as the blockbuster musical looks to expand to other cities, the casting notice with its call for “non-white” performers looks problematic to civil rights attorney Randolph McLaughlin.
“What if they put an ad out that said, ‘Whites only need apply?’” said McLaughlin, of the Newman Ferrara Law Firm. “Why, African-Americans, Latinos, Asians would be outraged.”
McLaughlin believes the ad violates the New York City Human Rights Law, which makes it unlawful “for an employer… because of the actual written or perceived… race of any person, to discriminate.”
“You cannot advertise showing that you have a preference for one racial group over another,” McLaughlin said. “As an artistic question – sure, he can cast whomever he wants to cast, but he has to give every actor eligible for the role an opportunity to try.”
That is also the policy of Actors Equity, the Broadway union, which says, “…producers agree that auditions for all productions… will be conducted in such a manner as to provide full and fair consideration to actors of all ethnicities.”
The press representative for the show told CBS2’s Aiello the language in the notice, “seeking non-white performers,” was approved by Actors Equity.
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In recent years, the city has fined restaurants for advertising for “busboys” and “waitresses” instead of “bus help” and “wait staff.” In this case, a source told CBS2’s Aiello the commission would likely work with the “Hamilton” production team to help it comply with city law if it takes issue with the ad.
they are actively not hiring white people based not on their acting, but the color of their skin. But get special breaks from the city instead of fines.
I just think it's so remarkable for folks to argue for free speech until someone says something that they don't like or in a way they don't like then all of a sudden it's magically rude or disrespectful and shouldn't be allowed.
You mean like what Amy Schumer did in Tampa, asking the audience to point out those that were booing so she can have them kicked out? Yeah, I get that.
Or like when Americans spoke up and elected Trump and riots broke out and Trump supporters were dragged and beaten on the streets? Yeah, I get that too! You see, you and I do agree on stuff!
I think there's a bit of a difference between snowflakes begging for safe spaces and freedom from speech (in a place that's supposed to encourage free-thought and opinion), and asking that a performance just be a performance. I'd also be pissed if I paid to see Kayne West and he talked about Trump for 40mins. I was pissed when I paid $35 to see the Decendents and Milo constantly commented about Trump between songs -- and that was about 40 seconds worth of rhetoric and they are a pretty anti-right band to begin with :P I also didn't riot nor destroy private property when my health insurance rates and gas costs have skyrocketed, and personal freedoms reduced over the last 8 years.
The timing of all the recent vandalism is incredibly convenient--especially when it works for a certain narrative.
Sorry, the only thing I know about religion is what I've learned form South Park.
Where did I say anything about all actors being LGBT? I said the cast took him to task for things he has done when he was governor in his state. How is that interpreted as saying all actors are gay? Wat?
Yeah, people said Kanye was dumb for doing that. I don't see anyone with any sort of power going around saying that he shouldn't speak his mind or that he needs to apologize for it. Journalists etc are one thing, the president elect is a different level. He seemed to get all up in a tizzy about it.
Re: rioting... uhhh. Things happened after Obama was elected and when he was running for reelection and won that time as well.
The arts are often political. They've been that way throughout history, including during times of dissent where it was the only way to be political and not be hung for it. Most of the time.
Originally Posted by Braineack
Another thought on the Hamilton snowflakes: Middle America was so "alarmed" by the left, they came out of voted for a changed; THEIR needs have been ignored for 8 years -- and the left's response is crying, rioting, whining, and being completely unprofessional and disrespectful to all of US.
Middle America's needs have been ignored for far longer than 8 years. They're going to continue to be ignored because there is no real change coming to Washington with regards to how much the government cares for the average citizen in middle America. The appointments and special interests being exactly the same should be proof enough.
Where is this concept of disrespect coming from? I know you'd prefer for everyone to just shut up about this stuff, but ironically the first amendment protects that. Saying it needs to be silenced because folks disagree is as ridiculous and un-American a statement as Kaepernick's actions being some sort of giant FU to the flag and everything it stands for.
Originally Posted by hector
You mean like what Amy Schumer did in Tampa, asking the audience to point out those that were booing so she can have them kicked out? Yeah, I get that.
Or like when Americans spoke up and elected Trump and riots broke out and Trump supporters were dragged and beaten on the streets? Yeah, I get that too! You see, you and I do agree on stuff!
Comedians have done that for quite a while. Trump did that all the time. I can remember a pretty good example of Obama letting a protestor at his rally speak and telling the audience not to boo him because he had the right to speak.
Plenty of fights broke out where the exactly other thing happened as well during this election. I wouldn't call that a high point for either party, new lows in the modern era.
So much of all of this **** is hypocritical on both sides that it does nothing but make me laugh. Lefties saying that they want to silence an opinion because they disagree with it and allowing it to be voiced somehow means that folks condone it (uhh no it doesn't...) and the righties going on about how everyone should stop being so impolite when a quick google search of how everyone that disagrees with Obama has referred to him over the past 8+ years.
they are actively not hiring white people based not on their acting, but the color of their skin. But get special breaks from the city instead of fines.
derpmode.
What are your thoughts of Hollywood casting white people in roles depicting POC? Because obviously that doesn't happen, but I guess it's not technically illegal or whatnot.
Originally Posted by sixshooter
Scott,
Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on your points. Your witty jabs often leave me wondering what your additional commentary might be.
Yup. Huge +1 on this. Always good to have a reasonable back and forth even if there's disagreement. That goes for you too sixshooter et al! Except for hector
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Where did I say anything about all actors being LGBT? I said the cast took him to task for things he has done when he was governor in his state. How is that interpreted as saying all actors are gay? Wat?
it was a joke. :P
Re: rioting... uhhh. Things happened after Obama was elected and when he was running for reelection and won that time as well.
Not at today's level. Find one riot where in order to protest President Obama, droves of republicans went out and looted local businesses and destroyed public property, shut down highways, and shot at each other. Which I may add is not legal. I think the worst i've ever read was someone burned his effigy once. Which may add is legal :P
The arts are often political. They've been that way throughout history, including during times of dissent where it was the only way to be political and not be hung for it. Most of the time.
the arts are full of uneducated fart sniffers who are completely out-of-touch with reality and have no clue how the rest of america lives but want to tell us all how we should live our lives and get involved.
Where is this concept of disrespect coming from? I know you'd prefer for everyone to just shut up about this stuff, but ironically the first amendment protects that. Saying it needs to be silenced because folks disagree is as ridiculous and un-American a statement as Kaepernick's actions being some sort of giant FU to the flag and everything it stands for.
There's a time and a place for certain language; it's just inappropriate. The booing of Pence by the audience, and the disruption they caused during the show was more troubling then the silly condescending speech the actors gave. Overall, it's an unprecedented level of disrespect. Not ironically: The constitution simply guarantees us rights that the govt cannot take away/or make laws prohibiting, not that we can do/say whatever we want at anytime.
No one is disputing that Kaepernick can't kneel during the anthem, but it's incredibly disrespectful and an inappropriate venue for his speech. He's a paid actor to entertain and play a game, he's not there to advocate one way or the next, and the people paying to watch a football game have a right not to have his opinion shoved down our throats.
I can remember a pretty good example of Obama letting a protestor at his rally speak and telling the audience not to boo him because he had the right to speak.
he actually didn't have a right to speak; there's a big difference between censorship and a heckler. He has no guaranteed right to disrupt an event in order to be heard. none.
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