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Old 11-16-2011, 11:14 AM   #1
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What a bunch of shiesters.
To start this off, I'll explain what's going on.
I'm in the process of building a garage and I leveled out my site where I am going to build. I saw my neighbor a few weeks ago, and I asked him, "When you had your pole building built, what did you have to take care of with the township to build it?" He tells me, "I had to go to the office and pay like $35 for a permit, that was it." The next day, I go to my township office to buy a permit. They tell me that things changed since 2008 and I need a storm water management application, and that I need to give them $850. That money goes into an escrow account, and $50 of it is for the permit fee. It costs about $300 to send someone out after I build my garage to make sure that the rain coming off my roof isn't flowing in a direction that will wash out a township road. Then the remainder ($500) should be refunded to me, it's mainly for their insurance in case my water runoff needs further evaluation to pass, blah blah blah.
I'm like, ok, I gotta give them $850 so they can screw around and then I wait to get about $500 back....whatever. Then they tell me that I need to get a zoning permit from the county to build. I'm thinking, "this is that $35 permit my neighbor talked about". WRONG. Try $200. So it's gonna cost me about $550 when it's all said and done just to have the government say, "it's your property and we know you're gonna follow codes and not gonna disturb any other property or wells or roads, but give us your money anyway."
This kind of **** makes people not even want to build accessory buildings. It's uncle sam's way of saying, "I know you own your property, but actually, you don't own your property, cause it belongs to is. If you fart on said property and the wind blows said fart across the street, you need a methane gas displacement permit."
***** Frustratiing.
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think about all the pensions you are supporting
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or they just dont want **** to flood...
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or they just dont want **** to flood...
This is true. They made me figure out how much rain water would be displaced if 1/2 an inch of rain landed on my roof. I told them that I live on a hill and when it rains, the water flows right across my driveway and goes down next to where the garage will be built, and it's been doing it for hundreds of years. Their response was, "hundreds of years ago, we didn't have ordinances in place to monitor things like this. We do now."
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or they just dont want **** to flood...
Local governments typically charge the H&H studies to FEMA for big spenders or large developments, they should not charge this much for permitting a small structure. The Federal requirement for this type of analysis is only pertinent if the garage lies in the "floodway" of a mapped, NFIP participating community.

Townships are crazy, I'd never live in one...hell, I'll probably never leave Texas.
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it's not so much that the ordinance didn't exist 100 years ago... it's that millions of square miles of concrete and roof didn't exist 100 years ago.

why is there flooding all the time in the midwest? because 100% of it has been worked by humans.
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because 100% of it has been worked by humans.
Human's are the plague of the earth.
Like Hustler kind of said, I could see if I lived in a town or a development, but I live in the middle of nowhere. Put it this way, if a deer walked through my yard, I could shoot it from my bathroom window while sitting on my toilet, and nobody would notice. If I built my garage, nobody would really care either. I went about it the legal way so I don't face future fines if my neighbors decide to not like me and rat me out.
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why is there flooding all the time in the midwest? because 100% of it has been worked by humans.
I prefer "because people live where it floods and they know FEMA and flood insurance will continue givign them money until the end of time so it makes no sense to move."
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Can u write these fees off on your taxes? R u going to be doin any kind of work for money in this garage? Im sure they will tax you on this new structure anyway.
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Can u write these fees off on your taxes? R u going to be doin any kind of work for money in this garage? Im sure they will tax you on this new structure anyway.
You can afford to pay a little more. Look at Hussein, he makes millions per year and doesn't need it all...but you still have to pay his $400k/year salary to be preisdent, that he doesn't need.
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And this kind of **** is the reason why the next house I buy will be out in the country.
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And this kind of **** is the reason why the next house I buy will be out in the country.
Wait, I thought he said he was out in the middle of nowhere...
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"Middle of Nowhere" in PA is apparently a whole different animal than "Middle of Nowhere" in a reasonable place like TX...
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"Middle of Nowhere" in PA is apparently a whole different animal than "Middle of Nowhere" in a reasonable place like TX...
lol @ socialist northerners.
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What's the "in disguise" part of it? It's gov't sucking more money out of the taxpayers, to justify their own existance.
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It's gov't sucking more money out of the taxpayers, to justify their own existance.
That's how I'm lookin at it.
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I have a question. Are you building new on a site thats never had a building, or are you rebuilding a garage that you tore down?
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I had a like 8x10 storage shed there and I moved it, dumped 7 tri-axle loads of shale there, and am building a 24x32' pole building. I guess to answer your question, "yes, I am building on a site that's never had a building."
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GLENDALE (CBS) — The city of Glendale is imposing a ban on artificial grass. Notices are going out to homeowners whose front yards are covered in turf.

Geneva Dotson says she was forced to pay crews $3,000 to rip up her brand new front yard after receiving a notice from city hall.

“There’s enough drama in life without having the city breathing down my back,” says Dotson. “I’m very angry about it, to tell you the truth.”

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City officials say the concern is related to the plastic and chemicals used in the artificial turf.

When asked why the fake grass would continue to be allowed in backyards, officials had no answer.

A turf company contacted by KCAL9 said some artificial lawns contain lead, but there is no harm posed to children or adults.

City officials say they plan to press criminal charges against those who do not comply with the ban.
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