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Old 09-17-2013, 12:52 PM
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It's now the new law you must say "I'M GOING TO REMAIN SILENT" if a police officer ask you to talk to him, even if you're not under arrest. There's no law that requires you to talk to a police officer, but you must say "I'M GOING TO REMAIN SILENT" and then shut up!
dont know if you're carrying a mass destruction bomb or not in a kia?
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This cops thinks Braineack should be illegal.
So does pretty much everyone here.


Oops, did I say that out loud?
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Four young ladies went for a quick bite to eat in Marshfield Missouri at a local Walmart. Two of them were open carrying not knowing they would be confronted by a ****-styled "show-me-your-papers" local police officer.

Of course, they bring out the big guns for these gun-toting "thugs."

To contact the Marshfield MO Walmart and express your concern (outrage) that they don't allow their customers to be armed, but rather defenseless, the Manager is Timothy Slavens and the number is (417) 468-6116. For those in the area, the address is: 14740 State Hwy #38 Marshfield, MO 65706

All Military and Law-enforcement, PLEASE check out Oath Keepers » Oath Keepers – Guardians of the Republic

This video is NOT intended to discredit law enforcement in ANY WAY. It is posted as a reminder that there are those it WITHIN that field who, by disregarding the "unalienable rights" of the people, bring the discredit. It is hoped that, by viewing videos like this, we can begin to educate those within and without government what the true message of liberty actually is.
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more story on this one:

A bizarre video from Ohio showing a cop holding three citizens at gunpoint (or maybe it was just a Taser) for apparently asking him to move from their driveway.

At one point in the video, the cop walks up to a witness trying to place a call and yanks the phone out of his hand, tossing it on a nearby lawn where the man just retrieves it.



source: Toledo News Now -

aron Tatkowski says he spent Sunday with his family, and when he returned home, he noticed his daughter-in-law had been pulled over by a Washington Township Police officer.

The police report states Cassandra Meyers was cited for a license plate violation. Tatkowski says he didn’t like the way the officer was talking to Meyers, so he questioned the officer about his behavior.

“He hollered for me to get back in my truck, so I got back in my truck,” Tatkowski said. “Next thing you know, I’m yanked out of the truck and it made my girlfriend say a few things.

He yanked her out of the truck.” Tatkowski says the officer threw him, his girlfriend, his daughter-in-law, and 14-year-old son to the ground.

The police report says commands were not listened to, so Officer Hart got out his taser and handgun. Tatkowski says he complied with Hart, but worried for his two granddaughters, who were still in his truck, so he asked witnesses to start recording what was happening.

Read more at LiveLeak.com - Ohio Cop Caught on Camera Terrorizing Family
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Police shut down chess games on Market Street | City Insider | an SFGate.com blog

It may finally be “checkmate” for the chess players of Market Street.

For more than 30 years, chess games have been a staple in the Mid-Market neighborhood. But earlier this month, the San Francisco Police Department confiscated the playing equipment, chairs and tables where dozens of people, mostly homeless, would gather every day to play between Fifth and Sixth streets.

Police said regular chess players aren’t the problem. They said the area has become a hotbed for illegal gambling and drug use.

“It’s turned into a big public nuisance,” said Capt. Michael Redmond, contending complaints from nearby businesses and arrests for sale and possession of narcotics have increased over the past six months. “I think maybe it’s a disguise for some other things that are going on.”

On Monday afternoon, the only sign of street chess that could be found was at the feet of Marvin Boykins, 57. Across from his latex chess board, a friend moved chess pieces at the command of a smartphone computer game set at the grandmaster level, which Boykins refused to listen to after it warned him that he’d made a bad move.

“I’ve been playing since I was 7 or 8 years old,” said Boykins, one of the original homeless street chess players who charges people a dollar or two to play. “Chess is a true San Francisco tradition.”

His friend, Hector Torres Jr., said chess saved him from a gambling addiction when he moved to San Francisco from Las Vegas more than 20 years ago. He said the chess games are a discrimination-free zone that has welcomed everyone from millionaires to people who have been in jail for decades.

“They’re being mean for no reason,” Torres Jr., 42, said about the police. “To me, it’s a scapegoat.”

Jennifer Friedenbach, executive director of the Coalition on Homelessness, said the police were wrong to take chess away.

“Having activities for folks to do is a positive thing,” she said. “We have elderly people who are very isolated and this is a great way for them to be out in the community.”

Redmond said the players’ property will eventually be released back to them and he hopes to help work out a plan for chess in the future — but that may involve convincing a business to pay for a permit so games can be played on the sidewalk.

“I’m optimistic that something is going to work out,” Boykins said.
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LiveLeak.com - Police Officers in Palm Beach Think You're a Criminal for Video Recording

Cop places man under arrest for "obstruction of me."
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911 operator hangs up on a17-Year Old Girl three times while her father is having a seizure. She walks to the station to file a complaint and then the 911 operator arrests her on a charge that doesn't even exist. He gets to keep his job (2009)


Whichever way you look at it, the operator's (cop's) behaviour was completely out of order and a disgrace!

Emergency operators and cops are, after all, supossed to be professional and trained to handle (not to mention, sympathise with) stressed out callers - who in many cases, are calling for HELP due to a life or death situation!!!
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Video of white shirt police tactically arresting innocent protesters
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I find the open carry people to be obnoxious. They do have a right to do it, but it's an unusual thing to do and provocative and it seems that most do it just to get the reaction that they usually end up getting. When the police handle it correctly these guys almost always end up looking like douches.


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why are they annoying? honestly, if it's legal, then you should be able to walk down the street with an open carry gun holstered video recording whatever the hell you want and expect to never be approached by police.

You're just conditioned to think that only police should be able to carry a firearm, have legal rights to murder, and prevent you from videotaping.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
why are they annoying? honestly, if it's legal, then you should be able to walk down the street with an open carry gun holstered video recording whatever the hell you want and expect to never be approached by police.

You're just conditioned to think that only police should be able to carry a firearm, have legal rights to murder, and prevent you from videotaping.
They're annoying because it's not a necessary practice to open carry and they do it just to get a rise out of people.

And no.
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Originally Posted by Harv

They're annoying because it's not a necessary practice to open carry and they do it just to get a rise out of people.

And no.
Your free speech is annoying, yet you still exercise your right to it, and appear to be trying to get a rise out of people.
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Originally Posted by Harv
They're annoying because it's not a necessary practice to open carry and they do it just to get a rise out of people.

And no.
really? 13 people just got murdered 2 miles from me. Crazy thing: it was in a Gun-Free zone in a non-open carry "state"
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really? 13 people just got murdered 2 miles from me. Crazy thing: it was in a Gun-Free zone in a non-open carry "state"
Correlation does not imply causation.

I'm right down the road from Newtown, CT.

If anything concealed carry works just as well if you need to carry. Walking down the street with a rifle slung over your shoulder is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Harv
Correlation does not imply causation.

I'm right down the road from Newtown, CT.

If anything concealed carry works just as well if you need to carry. Walking down the street with a rifle slung over your shoulder is ridiculous.
A customer who is concealed carrying in a convenience store can stop an armed robbery dead in its tracks. Pun intended.

A customer who is open carrying in a convenience store can convince an armed robber, without saying a word, that "turning around and leaving" is a far more lucrative option than getting $72 from the cash register.

Concealed carry works because an aggressor never knows what weak looking victim is or isn't carrying.

Open carry works because an aggressor absolutely knows when you are.

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Are you required to carry a permit or other ID in states that allow open carry?

I would think that a guy lugging a rifled down the street in the open would potentially breaking a law if a permit were required to open carry.
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Generally, no.

Open carry most often requires no permit. I believe many or most states require that a weapon carried openly be unloaded. Some states do not have this requirement. This means that the UOC guys, as a matter of practice, have the pistol on the firing side hip and the inverted clip on their off-side hip. In order to fire, simultaneously remove the pistol and clip with their respective hands, join the two pieces together, chamber a round, and squeeze the trigger.

Concealed carry is big somewhat because it allows you to carry a loaded firearm, but mostly because it allows you to carry a firearm in a manner that won't draw unnecessary attention. If our general public had the same acceptance of Firearms as Israeli's do, Loaded Open Carry would be about as shocking as someone wearing a nice wrist-watch.

Rarely have I ever felt safer than walking through Jerusalem, where every 50th person had a loaded M16 Assault Rifle in their hands or slung over their back. No sarcasm in this post. Yes, they were all military - but then so is every Israeli if you think about it. It wasn't uncommon to see two beautiful Israeli women wearing flip flops, hair down, shopping for something like a bracelet, just as if they were two college-aged girlfriends here. Except they were in military uniform and had loaded assault rifles slung over their backs.

In America, it is almost never illegal to openly carry a long gun by any person of legal age, so long as it is unloaded and you aren't causing fear or acting threatening - the exception to this rule is federally mandated "gun free zones". Carrying a long gun in public is so legal, in fact, that it does not constitute reasonable suspicion - but then again, neither does legally openly carrying a handgun or concealed carrying a handgun.

I would find it perfectly reasonable (and legal, regardless of purpose) to carry an unloaded AR-15 through the streets of downtown Columbus, Ohio if I had my own purpose for doing so. (Maybe my apartment is 3 blocks away from an indoor firing range). I would not find it reasonable to carry that AR-15 at the ready while doing so. While I find it reasonable to carry this weapon through downtown Columbus in such a manner, I would not find it prudent. If I were in this scenario, my rifle would be transported in an unassuming container.

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Nameless And Shameless: Masked DEA Agents Raid Innocent Women, Refuse To Reveal Their Identities

Caroline's mother, Geraldine Burley, was sitting at her computer in the basement when she heard a loud thud overhead, followed by a scream from her daughter and a man's voice ordering Caroline Burley to the floor. When she ascended the stairs, she too found a gun pointed at her head, and a man ordered her to get on the floor as well. She thought at first that she was being robbed.

Geraldine, now 70, pleaded with the man to let her move to the floor slowly, explaining to him that she'd had both of her knees replaced. Instead, another officer approached, grabbed her by the face, demanded that she "get the **** on the floor," then threw her into a table. She tumbled to the ground. At that point, she said later in a deposition, everything turned to "a fire, white and ringing in my ear." Another officer came up from the basement with her grandson, stepping on her knees in the process. She cried out again in pain.

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Police and school staff sued for beating and Tasering 12-year-old deaf boy | The Raw Story

The family of a 12-year-old boy known only as “A.M.” in court documents is suing police, the American School for the Deaf and the city of Hartford, CT over allegations that police unnecessarily Tasered the boy after school officials abused him and denied him food. According to the Courthouse News Service, the student ran away from the school to a construction site to escape staffers who had beaten and choked him, and it was there that police Tasered the boy, who is “profoundly deaf,” with no warning.

Court records say that A.M. was involved in a scuffle with a school staff member in March of this year in which the staffer choked the boy — who has been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) — and threw him to the ground, resulting in “significant head injuries.”

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“Defendant Chris Hammond informed plaintiff that he was going to kill him and push him into an unsafe area of the construction site,” said the suit. “Defendant Chris Hammond proceeded to grab plaintiff and punched plaintiff in the face with closed fists.”

The boy reportedly picked up a stick to defend himself against Hammond and the other adult staffers. They retreated from the scene and left A.M. sitting by himself with his back to the school.

Police arrived at the construction site after dark. Knowing the boy was deaf, they allegedly made no effort to warn or communicate with him, but Tasered him from behind. As A.M. writhed on the ground from the “burns, paralysis and pain” caused by the Taser barbs, the two police officers rushed him and placed him in handcuffs.

He was taken to Connecticut Children’s Hospital and treated for electrical burns.
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